<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Necessity of Initiation]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">''The Great work, for probationer is to obtain scientific knowledge of the nature and powers of my own being.''</p>
<p dir="auto">Is initiation necessary to attain spiritual goals noted in the Mystical and Magickal System of A.A?<br />
In my country here is no magical order so this is very important for me.</p>
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<p dir="auto">"''The Great work, for probationer is to obtain scientific knowledge of the nature and powers of my own being.''</p>
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<p dir="auto">Is initiation necessary to attain spiritual goals noted in the Mystical and Magical System of A.A?<br />
In my country here is no magical order so this is very important for me."</p>
<p dir="auto">I am convinced that the best results (<em>i.e.,</em> most successful and easiest) result from working formally within the system, under direct supervision.</p>
<p dir="auto">Nonetheless, one value of the book is that the whole system is provided in a way that one can follow on one's own. One can still make substantial gains on one's own. There is a higher standard required in "busdting your own bullshit" and being careful not to be overly impressed with early results. (The early pages of <em>Liber O</em> are quite useful in this regard.)</p>
<p dir="auto">Possibly this will even give you everything you need. In the worst case, it will provide you substantial foundation.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82131</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82131</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Eshelman]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 16:24:09 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Necessity of Initiation on Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:43:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">93 93/93</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/follower" aria-label="Profile: Follower">@<bdi>Follower</bdi></a> said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"''The Great work, for probationer is to obtain scientific knowledge of the nature and powers of my own being.''</p>
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<p dir="auto">Is initiation necessary to attain spiritual goals noted in the Mystical and Magical System of A.A?<br />
In my country here is no magical order so this is very important for me."</p>
<p dir="auto">I think it is. But you can have Initiation without others. You can have an Initiation on the Astral plane.</p>
<p dir="auto">You can be a Mystic as well as a magician.</p>
<p dir="auto">There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82130</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82130</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater MVKDSh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:43:14 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>