<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Babalon, Chaos, the Beast]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.</p>
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<p dir="auto">"Crowley's use of Chaos for the Father comes from the Vision and the Voice so his usage is from the root book of Thelemic cosmology. Liber 418 is a sorely neglected text in Thelemic circles and yet it answers so many of these questions that people repeatedly ask or wonder about."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Quite true about Liber 418. Perhaps I should have said that Liber 418's use of the name "Chaos" seems idiosyncratic to me.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/83490</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/83490</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[gmugmble]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 17:32:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Sun, 29 May 2011 14:12:09 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/gmugmble" aria-label="Profile: gmugmble">@<bdi>gmugmble</bdi></a> said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"<br />
@Angel of Death said<br />
"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic."</p>
<p dir="auto">Crowley's use of Chaos for the Father comes from the Vision and the Voice so his usage is from the root book of Thelemic cosmology. Liber 418 is a sorely neglected text in Thelemic circles and yet it answers so many of these questions that people repeatedly ask or wonder about.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/83487</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/83487</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[frateruranus]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 14:12:09 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 16 May 2011 14:42:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">This link does a great job of explaining the relationship - <a href="http://unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/05/writing-by-me-babalon-and-her-consort.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/05/writing-by-me-babalon-and-her-consort.html</a></p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/83299</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/83299</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kerlem93]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 14:42:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:42:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">93 93/93</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/danica" aria-label="Profile: danica">@<bdi>danica</bdi></a> said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"I see it like this:<br />
Chaos is feminine to Kether, masculine to Binah<br />
... it <em>is</em> the primordial womb, but also the spermatozoon <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f604.png?v=420f53c26f9" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--smile" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":smile:" alt="😄" /> (Yod)"</p>
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<p dir="auto">Thats exactly how I understand it <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f604.png?v=420f53c26f9" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--smile" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":smile:" alt="😄" /></p>
<p dir="auto">There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82321</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82321</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater MVKDSh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:42:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:36:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I see it like this:<br />
Chaos is feminine to Kether, masculine to Binah<br />
... it <em>is</em> the primordial womb, but also the spermatozoon <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f604.png?v=420f53c26f9" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--smile" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":smile:" alt="😄" /> (Yod)</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82320</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82320</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Danica]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:36:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:10:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">93 93/93</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/gmugmble" aria-label="Profile: gmugmble">@<bdi>gmugmble</bdi></a> said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"<br />
@Angel of Death said<br />
"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic."</p>
<p dir="auto">Thats interesting. When I think of Chaos I think of Chokmah since Chaos is just Force without Form.....His bride Babalon being Binah since Binah gives Form to Chokmah.</p>
<p dir="auto">There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82319</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82319</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater MVKDSh]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:10:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:58:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@Angel of Death said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82317</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82317</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[gmugmble]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:58:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:41:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/veritas_in_nox" aria-label="Profile: veritas_in_nox">@<bdi>veritas_in_nox</bdi></a> said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Therion and Chaos are both expressions of Chokmah archetypes.</p>
<p dir="auto">I think it best, in most circumstances, to think of Babalon and Therion as the Briatic (<em>i.e.,</em> archetypal) expressions of Binah and Chokmah, respectively. Chaos is another way to express the Chokmah idea.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/82313</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/82313</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Eshelman]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:41:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Babalon, Chaos, the Beast on Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:39:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Ménage à trois?</p>
<p dir="auto">ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world.</p>
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