<![CDATA[LBRP Questions]]>I have a few questions to do 😊

  • The best moment of the day?
  • How much should it last?
  • Eyes open or closed?
  • All the visualizations are to be done in first person? For example visualizing Kether I find myself in third person view, like seeing the whole scene from outside.
  • The whole rite is to be done mentally too? If Yes, after how long time?
  • I visualize Kether 13 inches over my head, is too far?
  • Vibrating Malkuth I move my hand to the groin area with the index finger downward. Am I wrong?
  • Is it to visualize the circle connecting the pentagrams?
  • During the invocations of the Archangels I need to visualize also the pentagrams and the circle?
  • Finished to visualize one Archangel(or pentagram) and go to the next, I need to visualize also the previous?
  • Raphael's wand should be a simple one or the Hermetic Caduceus?
  • The hexagram is to be visualize in gold, but what kind of material? Metal? Fire? Light?

Thanks.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/topic/16066/lbrp-questionsRSS for NodeWed, 22 Apr 2026 11:00:03 GMTSun, 08 May 2011 12:54:42 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:17:47 GMT]]>Nobody said you were "wrong." You got my opinion.

Experiment with it. I know what works for me.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100443https://thelema.org/forum/post/100443Tue, 29 Jul 2014 02:17:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:42:42 GMT]]>I am talking about LRP with the ONLY difference in creating the pentagrams. Plenty of others rituals use imagination as means to an end.
When I do the "Middle Pillar" do I have to draw circles at all the points? (No)

I am not saying I am right. I just wanna know why I am wrong.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100441https://thelema.org/forum/post/100441Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:42:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:28:10 GMT]]>But like for everyday use, in my experience, going through it in your head works wonders, but when stuff starts going haywire, you kick it up a notch.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100440https://thelema.org/forum/post/100440Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:28:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:20:01 GMT]]>Well, yeah. And I've had experiences where just imagining the LRP strongly was an incredibly strong experience of it.

But, imo, that last level, to the realm of physical action, completes the weight of it. It is a physical act of Will. The final blow.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100439https://thelema.org/forum/post/100439Mon, 28 Jul 2014 21:20:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:21:11 GMT]]>Well LBRP was my technique for the invocation. I was just making reference to the "Star Ruby" as an example of how I can simply imagine a pentagram.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100437https://thelema.org/forum/post/100437Mon, 28 Jul 2014 20:21:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:52:52 GMT]]>@ForceFire said

"When I do the "star ruby" I draw a banishing pentegram line per line."

But there's no need in the Star Ruby, since it's just a bazooka blow-away banishing. Totally different concept, and a significantly different ritual in purpose and consequence.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100433https://thelema.org/forum/post/100433Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:52:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:25:42 GMT]]>When I do the "star ruby" I draw a banishing pentegram line per line. I can also do this with my technique described above. Tracing over then lines over and over in the appropriate direction until it is burning in my mind. My biggest set back is doubt since these things can be so subtle for me.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100432https://thelema.org/forum/post/100432Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:25:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:29:55 GMT]]>The sequence of tracing the lines distinguishes exactly which forces are being invoked or banishing.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100430https://thelema.org/forum/post/100430Mon, 28 Jul 2014 05:29:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:30:41 GMT]]>The " Star Ruby" uses these same visual techniques. So now are we just talking about intent?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100429https://thelema.org/forum/post/100429Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:30:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:01:18 GMT]]>Yes, actually performing it is always simply that much more powerful in my experience. It is the World of Action that gets included or not.

Performing it mentally is "enough for your average day," but no more, in my opinion.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100427https://thelema.org/forum/post/100427Mon, 28 Jul 2014 03:01:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:55:45 GMT]]>Has anyone ever visualized the pentagrams before them vs drawing them. I imagine my hand to
be at the center and use the appropriate color and intent.

I mean the Pentagram is just as created as any other right? But I suppose you could argue that the action
of drawing it makes things alittle more manifest.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/100426https://thelema.org/forum/post/100426Mon, 28 Jul 2014 01:55:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:33:45 GMT]]>Beyond my pay grade but... fwiw, afaik anything is a possible route to k&chga. Even intentional overuse of acronyms. If lbrp is a powerful ritual for you (probably with some emendations since you don't want it banishing your hga along with everything else) write a magickal oath and put it to work. Invoke often!

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98592https://thelema.org/forum/post/98592Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:33:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:16:22 GMT]]>So...
Isn't the hexagram representative of the HGA and the Sun just above you?
Is it possible(as much as anything is possible) to attain K&CHGA via LBRP exclusively, without Abramelin or even BRH? Recommended?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98589https://thelema.org/forum/post/98589Sat, 07 Dec 2013 22:16:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:24:27 GMT]]>For me, the Hexagram forms the walls of a column that surrounds me and extends infinitely up and down. When I transition from building the pentagram circle to invoking the archangels, the circle forms a sphere around me so the hexagram column does intersect that sphere above and below me and forms an impression on the sphere. To that extent, in my version, the hexagrams exist above and below at the same distance as the pentagrams exist around me.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98576https://thelema.org/forum/post/98576Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:24:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 13:26:46 GMT]]>@MMe said

"So if I visualize the hexagram above me, is it to visualize one below me too?"

That was Crowley's recommendations, yes.

"As a reference, the blazing sphere, visualized during the Qabalistic Cross, is to display a few inches above the head, the hexagram has to stay at that height, or higher?"

No specific height is specified. It always seemed to me that it was much higher than that - marking "the height" per se, with the other at a balanced distance below. (I never visualized it thus in physical space, so I can't give you anything concrete about distance - by the time I hit that point in the ritual, I'm so removed from any physical orientation that it actually never occurred to me to think of it in terms of distance. In over 30 years, you're the first person I recall ever asking anything about distance.)

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98575https://thelema.org/forum/post/98575Thu, 05 Dec 2013 13:26:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Thu, 05 Dec 2013 10:23:25 GMT]]>@Jim Eshelman said

"There are variations. 😀"

Thanks.

So if I visualize the hexagram above me, is it to visualize one below me too?
As a reference, the blazing sphere, visualized during the Qabalistic Cross, is to display a few inches above the head, the hexagram has to stay at that height, or higher?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98574https://thelema.org/forum/post/98574Thu, 05 Dec 2013 10:23:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:44:40 GMT]]>There are variations. 😀

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98544https://thelema.org/forum/post/98544Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:44:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:03:32 GMT]]>@MMe said

"Where is to be visualize the hexagram?
At which point exactly?"

I did the question, a bit stupid 😊 , because I realized, a few days ago, that in English it says "in the column" while in the translation that I have studied and used for years, is "above me", and I, therefore, visualize the hexagram above me.
Then I read the book of David Shoemaker(I also have your book, but does not say anything about it), and he says to visualize the hexagram at the heart.

So I'm a bit confusing... 😕

@Fr Cognosco cum Lux
Thanks for the answer.
For the East question look here jim's answer.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98543https://thelema.org/forum/post/98543Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:03:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:39:38 GMT]]>Thank you for your rapid response.
I ask the question because I have the opportunity to be outside and watch the sun rise nearly every day. Practicing the LBRP directionally seems odd to me when I can clearly see the sun rising about 30 degrees to my right. I am wondering if there is any additional benefit by directly facing the sun standing at samech and pe?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98542https://thelema.org/forum/post/98542Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:39:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:34:03 GMT]]>It's not per se about facing the Sun. East (in the broad sense of the whole eastern half of the sky) is where all light always originates. Due east is that direction toward which your exact location is moving in space, by virtue of the earth's rotation.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98540https://thelema.org/forum/post/98540Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:34:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:05:00 GMT]]>Another question
When performing the LBRP outside at sunrise, facing due east is not where the sun is rising. Should a person face the direction or where the sun is actually rising on the horizon?
Mme, I think the hexagram is the column above and below you, I could be wrong, I usually am.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98539https://thelema.org/forum/post/98539Fri, 29 Nov 2013 03:05:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:21:30 GMT]]>Where is to be visualize the hexagram?
At which point exactly?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/98500https://thelema.org/forum/post/98500Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:21:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:48:23 GMT]]>@MMe said

"But when I recall the pentagrams is it not to be intendet that the pentagrams ban the archangels?"

I don't understand what you mean by "recall the pentagrams" - but, in any case, there is never any intention to ban the archangels.

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/86268https://thelema.org/forum/post/86268Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:48:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to LBRP Questions on Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:18:30 GMT]]>very very noob questions, excuse me... 😊

@MMe said

"

  • [:230rc9zz]The Kether center is situated just over the forehead or a little behind?[/â“‚230rc9zz]
    [:230rc9zz]In the Qabalistic Cross the shaft of white light that goes from Kether to Malkuth is the same as the MP? Is to be visualized as the latter? Slightly in front of me and don't within me, right?[/â“‚230rc9zz]
    [:230rc9zz]The hexagram is 2d or 3d? Should have a little thickness/depth?[/â“‚230rc9zz]
    "

@Edward Mason said

"
When I utter the final phrase of the invocatory segment ("For about me flames the pentagram... etc.") I don't hold the image of the Archangels in mind at all. They've been called in, or you might say "have been noticed yet again," and they remain in position.
"

But when I recall the pentagrams is it not to be intendet that the pentagrams ban the archangels?

]]>https://thelema.org/forum/post/86265https://thelema.org/forum/post/86265Tue, 18 Oct 2011 08:18:30 GMT