<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Emotions and Magick]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I was wondering about the correlation between emotions and Magick. To be more precise, is Magick an emotional process and are emotions required in order for Magick to work?</p>
<p dir="auto">To be sincere, this issue started whirling in my head quite recently, when I encountered a friend who is really instested in starting his journey, but has been suffering from some form of post-traumatic disorder; he claims that due to his disorder he cannot experience any emotions for about a decade and medical treatment couldn't resolvle his issue <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f631.png?v=d820324befc" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--scream" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":scream:" alt="😱" /></p>
<p dir="auto">So, if one cannot get absorbed into his/her emotions, nor get in any kind of ecstatic condition, could this be an unbreakable barrier for this individual?</p>
<p dir="auto">In L.V.X.,<br />
T.O.H.P.A.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/topic/16377/emotions-and-magick</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 13 May 2026 11:02:14 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://thelema.org/forum/topic/16377.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:31:19 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 14:20:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I was reffering to the whole chapter on Netzach!</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85540</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85540</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Danica]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 14:20:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 13:18:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Yes, I have.</p>
<p dir="auto">I think you might be referrring to the following passage:</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"Tree there is a flow down and up the positive and<br />
negative aspects of our own subjective levels of consciousness, whereby the spirit<br />
inspires mind, and mind directs the emotions, and the emotions form the etheric double,<br />
and the etheric double inoulds the physical vehicle, which is the "earth" of the circuit."</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">And this makes it more perplexed for the case of my friend I mentioned.<br />
But I think Jim's reply was very helpful.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85539</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85539</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TOHPA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 13:18:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:23:12 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">TOHPA, have you read Dion Fortune's "Mysical Qabalah"?<br />
chapter pertaining to Netzach there can perhaps be of use to you regarding magical use of emotions...</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85537</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85537</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Danica]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:23:12 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:41:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/tohpa" aria-label="Profile: TOHPA">@<bdi>TOHPA</bdi></a> said</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"Although I agree with what you said, I wouldn't consider these as projections, but mostly as patterns I have observed. That's why I stated previously that this is just a subjective point of view."</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">In this context, I meant "projections" in the way that they are like "expectations".  Patterns that I have observed usually contributes to my expectations, based on my subjective pattern apprehension.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85532</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85532</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater 639]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:41:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:35:42 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Although I agree with what you said, I wouldn't consider these as projections, but mostly as patterns I have observed. That's why I stated previously that this is just a subjective point of view.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85531</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85531</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TOHPA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:35:42 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:25:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/tohpa" aria-label="Profile: TOHPA">@<bdi>TOHPA</bdi></a> said</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"But seriously, although a ritual is based on sensation, the aren't the final results of it more coherent in emotional terms?"</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Ritual is more than sensation.  Final results?  In the context of ritual, you are going to skew your "results" based on the projection of those "results".</p>
<p dir="auto">"For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect."</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/tohpa" aria-label="Profile: TOHPA">@<bdi>TOHPA</bdi></a> said</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"My biggest trouble with specific and long rituals is that:</p>
</blockquote>
<ol>
<li>I can't easily reproduce the same consciousness and emotional effect with a precise ritual.</li>
<li>I can't keep this effect for too long. I guess that's why we must "Enflame ourselves in prayer", in order to make the results of a Magical operation permanent."</li>
</ol>
<p dir="auto">These seem to be projections that can skew the "results" of any ritual.</p>
<p dir="auto">Empty the Cup!  Results will follow.</p>
<p dir="auto">Expectations (intellectual constructs) will inhibit this.  The best way to to rid oneself of the intellectual projections of ritual is repetition...as the Work is cumulative.  "Enflaming ourselves in prayer" helps us bypass our intellectual projections, amongst other things...</p>
<p dir="auto">EDIT:  I think I sounded like I was avoiding the question, so I wanted to add...</p>
<p dir="auto">In ritual, the "results" are not just coherent in emotional terms...they are coherent in MANY terms.  This includes many "planes"...not just emotional ones (i.e. the intellectual plane, the creative plane, etc.).</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85530</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85530</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater 639]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:25:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:56:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't like haikus<br />
I wanna talk 'bout Magick<br />
haikus piss me off<br />
<img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f606.png?v=d820324befc" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--laughing" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":laughing:" alt="😆" /></p>
<p dir="auto">But seriously, although a ritual is based on sensation, the aren't the final results of it more coherent in emotional terms?</p>
<p dir="auto">My biggest trouble with specific and long rituals is that:</p>
<ol>
<li>I can't easily reproduce the same consciousness and emotional effect with a precise ritual.</li>
<li>I can't keep this effect for too long. I guess that's why we must "Enflame ourselves in prayer", in order to make the results of a Magickal operation permanent.</li>
</ol>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85529</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85529</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TOHPA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:56:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:25:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I'm noooooo poet!!! But, let's try this:<br />
Haiku!</p>
<p dir="auto">My apologies to Av, Dar, and Veronica...our resident Poets.  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f600.png?v=d820324befc" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--grinning" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":grinning:" alt="😀" /></p>
<p dir="auto">Emotions are Fun<br />
They separate from Silence<br />
Love and Not are One</p>
<p dir="auto">We feel the divide<br />
We love what we do not have<br />
Wanting to collide</p>
<p dir="auto">Together is where<br />
we will always want to be<br />
Needing Two to share.</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f47c.png?v=d820324befc" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--angel" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":angel:" alt="👼" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85528</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85528</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater 639]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:25:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:22:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I tend to put more stock in sensations, which are not the same things as emotions!</p>
<p dir="auto">If you use emotions to track what is important to people around you, and to yourself, they are useful; if you think an emotion is proof of something more, you are fooling yourself—strong emotion proves nothing.</p>
<p dir="auto">Sensations on the other hand are not emotions, but they are experiences! They can be anything from that weird shiver that runs up the spine, to the experience of stepping in a pile of warm horse shit in your socks.</p>
<p dir="auto">You don't even need a physical stimulus to have a sensation. You can imagine that cold shower, or the spider in your hair, and the sensation is there in some measure.</p>
<p dir="auto">Rule of thumb: sensations will produce emotions.</p>
<p dir="auto">For this reason it is better to focus on having sensations and let emotions take care of themselves.</p>
<p dir="auto">Emotions prove nothing! At best they are indications of those things in your life that have personal value—this is not a small thing, it's just not what most people are willing to accept about the limits of their feelings to explain the world to themselves.</p>
<p dir="auto">EDIT, just clarified a thought, I hope...</p>
<p dir="auto">Love and Will</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85527</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85527</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[RobertAllen]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:22:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:01:09 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"I would be happy and possibly more enlightened if this thread and it's participants laxed lyrical on the topics raised here."</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Do you want us to lax lyrical<br />
Or did you mean for us to wax?<br />
Poems can be satirical<br />
If we know how to relax</p>
<p dir="auto">Emotions are like a kettle<br />
Set on the range's coil<br />
Electric flames will heat the metal<br />
And the water starts to boil</p>
<p dir="auto">And when you make a cuppa tea<br />
But are really doing something else<br />
The kettle screams like a tantrum-throwing, psychotic banshee<br />
While you're in the other room and you have to run into the room in panic mode and stub your toe on that chest, and pretty soon you're howling too!</p>
<p dir="auto">So, use your kettle frequently<br />
But don't let it caterwaul<br />
If we're going to have a cuppa tea<br />
We need hot water after all</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85526</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85526</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Avshalom Binyamin]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:01:09 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:50:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Thank you Mr. Eshelman. That was clarifying and I find your last paragraph very insightful for my friend's case; I Hope he will find it also.</p>
<p dir="auto">Regarding Magick, I was referring to a path spiritual development. I understand the effects of Magick and the alteration of perception as having an emotional infrastructure, influencing also the subconscious mind. Unfortunately this is just my subjective way of understanding it. Since existence is pure joy and the sorrows are but shadows, I conceive the expression of shadows in such a rigid way (as my friend's disorder) as an obstacle which seperates one from his/her true self and the expression thereof.</p>
<p dir="auto">@Dar said</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">"I would be happy and possibly more enlightened if this thread and it's participants laxed lyrical on the topics raised here.<br />
"</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Uhm, what's "laxed lyrical"? I'm sorry but English isn't my first language  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f615.png?v=d820324befc" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--confused" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":confused:" alt="😕" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85525</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85525</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[TOHPA]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 23:50:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Emotions and Magick on Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:38:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The pathological character of his emotions is likely to be more of a barrier than the seeming absence of them.</p>
<p dir="auto">But this also depends on what <strong>you</strong> mean by magick. My answer would be somewhat different if we were talking about generating phenomena or if we were talkikng about personal (spiritual) evolution.</p>
<p dir="auto">In either case, though, the benefit comes from having <strong>full access</strong> to one's emotions. What one does with them is a bit different in each case.</p>
<p dir="auto">Realize, though, that "full access" to one's emotions isn't all that common among people generally regarded as mature, healthy adults. There is a learning process, even a healing process, for many. Your friend shouldn't let this get in his way. Instead, it should be one of the things true about him that dictates exactly what HIS way is.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/85521</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/85521</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Eshelman]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:38:00 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>