<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I've read somewhere that Karl Germer despised meditation and he simply couldn't do it.  Is this true?  I'd have to dig to find the resource...but I find it to be hard to believe given his attainment.</p>
<p dir="auto">Also, I've heard that he completed his Adeptus Minor Work in a concentration camp.  That's pretty extraordinary.  I've also heard he was an extremely nice and quiet guy...a little different than the accounts of Crowley.  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f606.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--laughing" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":laughing:" alt="😆" /></p>
<p dir="auto">How did they meet?  When did Karl start to work with the A.'.A.'.?  Did he have OTO affiliation first?  Any information would be great...</p>
<p dir="auto">I'm sure there are many letters and such corresponding to these subjects.  Also, are there plans to ever publish these things, or possibly but a history/biography together regarding the Meral lineage of the A.'.A.'.?  JIm?  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f600.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--grinning" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":grinning:" alt="😀" /></p>
<p dir="auto">If not, does anybody know of a biography of Germer, or biography type material, compiled and already published?  I'd love to read something like that, if it's available.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/topic/16866/karl-germer-meditation-and-bio</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2026 19:49:00 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://thelema.org/forum/topic/16866.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:40:36 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Wed, 23 May 2012 18:13:37 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/gmugmble" aria-label="Profile: gmugmble">@<bdi>gmugmble</bdi></a> said</p>
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<a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/michael" aria-label="Profile: Michael">@<bdi>Michael</bdi></a> Staley said<br />
"(extracts from these letters were published in the fifth issue of <em>Starfire</em> in 1994)."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Which of course is unavailable.  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f61e.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--disappointed" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":disappointed:" alt="😞" />"</p>
<p dir="auto">That issue of <em>Starfire</em> does come up on the second-hand market from time to time. The extracts were published in the course of an article entitled 'It's an Ill Wind that Bloweth'. Although the article does not appear in <em>Ecpyrosis</em> - a selection of essays and artwork from the first five issues of <em>Starfire</em> - it is available online on Peter Koenig's website.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/89396</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/89396</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Staley]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:13:37 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Sat, 12 May 2012 16:07:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/forum/user/michael" aria-label="Profile: Michael">@<bdi>Michael</bdi></a> Staley said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"(extracts from these letters were published in the fifth issue of <em>Starfire</em> in 1994)."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Which of course is unavailable.  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f61e.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--disappointed" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":disappointed:" alt="😞" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/89307</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/89307</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[gmugmble]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 16:07:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Sat, 12 May 2012 15:22:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">As Jim said, Germer had no interest in ceremonial magic, and took no interest whatever the more formal aspects of grades such as grips, signs, passwords and the like. This is confirmed in letters he wrote to Kenneth Grant in the early 1950s (extracts from these letters were published in the fifth issue of <em>Starfire</em> in 1994). Crowley considered Germer a man of deep and profound attainment, selecting him as successor several years before his death. Nor was this view restricted to Crowley; in Gerald Yorke's correspondence of 1948 and 1949 with Achad, for instance - finally to be published later this year - Yorke also expressed a similar view of Germer.</p>
<p dir="auto">Germer did a great job in the 1950s and early 1960s, publishing key works of Crowley's - <em>The Vision and the Voice</em> with Crowley's commentary, <em>Magick without Tears</em>, <em>Liber Aleph</em> - with little resources.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/89306</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/89306</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Staley]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 15:22:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Wed, 02 May 2012 03:35:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@Frater 639 said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"I've read somewhere that Karl Germer despised meditation and he simply couldn't do it. "</p>
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<p dir="auto">A bit off topic (okay, a lot off topic), but the Dalai Lama stated in one of his books that he is bad at meditation.</p>
<p dir="auto">Some of Germer's letters have been published. When I get home, I'll look up some references.</p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/89147</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/89147</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[gmugmble]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 03:35:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Tue, 01 May 2012 15:59:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Thanks!  I'll check out the link.   <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f600.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--grinning" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":grinning:" alt="😀" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://thelema.org/forum/post/89134</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://thelema.org/forum/post/89134</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Frater 639]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 15:59:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Karl Germer, Meditation, and Bio on Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:34:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">@Frater 639 said</p>
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<p dir="auto">"I've read somewhere that Karl Germer despised meditation and he simply couldn't do it.  Is this true?  I'd have to dig to find the resource...but I find it to be hard to believe given his attainment. "</p>
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<p dir="auto">Actually, that's a fair representation of his view concerning <em>ritual</em>. He had little regard for initiation rituals, or ritual in general.</p>
<p dir="auto">He may have said something similar about meditation in some context... some vague memory is pinging off in the deep recesses of back-memory... but it wouldn't have been true in the obvious, surface sense of the words. Karl was a <em>natural</em> at meditation and a deep, spontaneous mystic (especially after he plowed through the dense tortoise-hide of his controlling, rigid personality.</p>
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<p dir="auto">"Also, I've heard that he completed his Adeptus Minor Work in a concentration camp.  That's pretty extraordinary.  I've also heard he was an extremely nice and quiet guy...a little different than the accounts of Crowley."</p>
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<p dir="auto">Yes, in solitary confinement. He had sufficient privacy <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f600.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--grinning" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":grinning:" alt="😀" /> - BTW, what your statement doesn't include is that Crowley was also "an extremely nice ** guy." He prided himself on his gentlemanly graces.</p>
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<p dir="auto">"How did they meet?"</p>
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<p dir="auto">I <em>think</em> it was at a conference in Germany or Austria where various European Rosicrucian organizations were convening and Crowley hoped to be recognized as their common Superior. Politics and personalities got in the way as usual, but a relationship with Germer was started. (I think that's the story.)</p>
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<p dir="auto">"Also, are there plans to ever publish these things, or possibly but a history/biography together regarding the Meral lineage of the A.'.A.'.?  JIm?  <img src="https://thelema.org/forum/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f600.png?v=4acfc4d08b3" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--grinning" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":grinning:" alt="😀" /> "</p>
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<p dir="auto">Most of that story is already published. Have you read Soror Meral's serialized biography of Jane Wolfe from <em>In the Continuum?</em> You can get all the issues as free downloads at &lt;!-- w --&gt;&lt;a class="postlink" href="<a href="http://www.thelema.org/publications" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">http://www.thelema.org/publications</a>"&gt;<a href="http://www.thelema.org/publications" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">www.thelema.org/publications</a>&lt;/a&gt;&lt;!-- w --&gt;</p>
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