War in Gaza

[Gnosomai Emauton]

Because you posted this under the Thelema heading, I'll toss in a particular line of Liber L that has always struck me as mis-interpreted and on point to this discussion:

"Now let it be first understood that I am a god of War and of Vengeance. I shall deal hardly with them."

In both the old and new comments, Uncle Al takes this line at seeming face value. RHK is a war god. The Great War is a literal playing out of his ascending the throne. Q.E.D.

What has always struck me is that, for that to be the case, there must be a victim that the "them" refers back to and, at least in Liber L, there is no such antecedent. Who is it that RHK is dealing hardly with?

If we actually take this line at face value, "them" could (and I think does) refer back to "War and... Vengeance". It must first be understood (Binah) that RHK is a god of War and of Vengeance. But it must also be understood that, in the following text, he is hardly going to deal with them. The current of the new aeon requires that power of will that is inherent in Geburah and enthroned with Horus but it is no longer necessary for that force of will to be directed towards war and vengeance. That power and will must be channeled towards willed evolution. It is the overarching purpose of this aeon to move humanity past that tribal instinct to destroy our neighbors out of fear and instead towards uniting with our neighbors in love (and no, this isn't flower-child quilting-bee love; this is hard-core Agape).

Applying this to the current situation in Gaza, I see two ancient tribes locked in a death struggle because they are both addicted to vengeance. Too many individuals on both sides of the conflict are unwilling to accept that the deaths of their mothers or fathers or brothers or sisters or children were likely caused by individuals who have also lost mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers and children and are themselves, in all likelihood, dead. Thus they focus all of their concentrated will towards vengeance on the other tribe.

How do I feel about it? I don't know. I've seen enough institutionalized oppression and destruction around the world to know that this current situation might have more fireworks than most but isn't really outside of the norm of current human behavior. I feel endlessly frustrated that so many humans are little more than societally-programmed monkey-puppets. I hold little hope for a functional path forward through ceasefires and truces. I see the most likely evolution out of the constant aggression to be a full on tearing down of the walls. The path of Peh. Mars the destroyer, leveling everything flat so that Horus the creator might build a New Jerusalem on the ruins.

[David]

Thanks for posting. I have been thinking of this a lot. I prefer non-violence. I'm an idealist. I want to read Chapter 3 as all about inner battles. But sometimes I wonder. Throughout history, there have been the victor and the vanquished. That's not necessarily a bad thing. And history continues....

We took the peaceful approach in Syria, and Assad is slaughtering more innocents than Israel by far. Where's the outrage? Why aren't you calling him a Nazi? We withdrew from Iraq and now ISIS is on a beheading spree. Was the peaceful alternative the best for those looking down from a spike?

Carrying forward Aion's analogy, I think America should gives its friend Israel the benefit of the doubt here. If we want to be peacemakers, we can focus on everyone else who is warring and killing innocents. Let's criticize Israel for how it handles the situation in its own backyard after we've fixed the rest of the world's problems. There are much bigger assholes to condemn.

As for saying the Israelis are "increasing like" Nazis, it's outrageous. Compared to their neighbors, Israel is a liberal utopia, a beacon of light an increasingly savage corner of the globe. Whatever they might be doing in Gaza, it is completely different than herding up peaceful merchant families and trucking them to be gassed.

[The_Hawkheaded_child]

All,

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

@Mercurius said

"How does it make you feel? Do you think the violence israel imparts is fair? "

It makes me feel sad, very sad.

@David S said

"We took the peaceful approach in Syria, and Assad is slaughtering more innocents than Israel by far. If we want to be peacemakers, we can focus on everyone else who is warring and killing innocents. Let's criticize Israel for how it handles the situation in its own backyard after we've fixed the rest of the world's problems. There are much bigger assholes to condemn. "

Like yourselves?

" *Last July, American historian William Blum published his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy". Since the Second World War, the US has:
~Attempted to overthrow more than 50 governments, most of them democratically-elected.
~Attempted to suppress a populist or national movement in 20 countries.
~Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.
~Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
~Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
In total, the United States has carried out one or more of these actions in 69 countries.

In total: Since 1945, the United States has carried out one or more of the above actions, on one or more occasions, in the following 69 countries (more than one-third of the countries of the world):

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Angola
Australia
Bolivia
Bosnia
Brazil
British Guiana (now Guyana)
Bulgaria
Cambodia
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Congo (also as Zaire)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
East Timor
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Fiji
France
Germany (plus East Germany)
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Honduras
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kuwait
Laos
Lebanon
Libya
Mongolia
Morocco
Nepal
Nicaragua
North Korea
Pakistan
Palestine
Panama
Peru
Philippines
Portugal
Russia
Seychelles
Slovakia
Somalia
South Africa
Soviet Union
Sudan
Suriname
Syria
Thailand
Uruguay
Venezuela
Vietnam (plus North Vietnam)
Yemen (plus South Yemen)
Yugoslavia* "

One might want to question the U.S. government ability for "peacekeeping" nor to fix any problems around the globe. Perhaps, no other country is know to have committed so many crimes against mankind in the name of "democracy" and "humanitarianism". Two atombombs, agent orange in vietnam, depleted uranium, in serbia, afghanistan, iraq, libya etc.

"Citing numbers provided by the Vietnam Red Cross, the McClatchy Foreign Press reported in July that an estimated 3 million people spanning three generations have been affected by Agent Orange. At least 150,000 of these cases have been children born with severe birth defects since the war's end in 1975"

You should see some pictures of these victims of U.S. chemical-warfare, they are horrible. Thousand's of children are born each year with birth deficiencies as consequence of the war-crimes committed by the American government since the second world war. My question is when one of the biggest perpetrators, in the history of man, will be held responsible for it's crimes against humanity? It's a fair question isn't it?

Or why not mention the death of 500 000 innocent children due to the sanctions against Iraq before the invasion 2003 (a later war based on lies about Iraq having weapons of mass-destruction, protecting terrorists etc. None of it was true! It was all lies! And based on those lies the U.S. invaded and killed over a million Iraqis!?) Or why not mention the massacre of 150 000 Iraq troops in a convoy, waving the white flag? Back in 1991? One could go on all day talking about the great "peace-keeper" and it's horrible war-crimes committed all over the world. No, that government of yours is wanted for murder, rape and the pillaging of other countries by all of us who are willing to see reality and thus not clinging to any false "idealistic-fancy-picture" of it...

Matthew 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I'm sorry to give a blow to that "idealism" of yours. God I can't stand idealism. I can't stand having to deal with narrow minds carrying around ”static” and ”none-compatible” ideas of how life should look like! – thus having nothing to do with the ”individual”, ”laws of physics”, nor paying any respect to "life" itself; the beautiful diversity and the uniqueness of all it’s situations... The school system treating everybody as ”the same” is built upon that idealism of yours, also, communism, all Utopian ideas, all this ”collectivistic filth” of the world oppressing the individual, is based upon idealism.

I can't stand idealism since it’s of the ”head” and not of the ”heart”, since it defiles the waters of life; since it’s against change; since it’s against all that is unique; since it's against the individual; since it's about clinging to a fancy picture, having nothing at all to do with "reality"; since it’s about trying to trap the formless one within the iron-cage of reason!

I’ll have none of that thank you... But I will not be carrying around any hard feelings towards you, since In the name of thelema I respect your will to embrace even ignorance (idealism). But in the spirit of ”as brothers fight ye”, I might create opposition every time you let that nasty snake out of the bag in public.

I won’t venture any futher off-topic, so I "let go" from here...

Love is the law, love under will.

Peace

[Hermitas]

@The_Hawkheaded_child said

"I can't stand idealism!"

Then maybe you need to rethink your lengthy post, English-speaker.

[Jim Eshelman]

@The_Hawkheaded_child said

"One might want to question the U.S. government ability for "peacekeeping""

I think you are confusing

Peacekeeper

with

Peacekeeper

As you can see, we are very, very good - probably the best! - at peacekeeping.

[Hermitas]

Hawk PMed me, wondering why I sounded offended. I'll answer here since the slight was public.

Man, I just saw the whole post as an idealistic criticism. I hate war as much as anyone else who loves his family. At the same time, world politics... I just don't know what to say. It's unsolvable. It's survival of the fittest combined with natural selection. It is kill or be killed - not because everyone's animal, but because at least some are animals, and everyone wants to survive. ...Well, except for a few who are willing to die for their pacifistic ideals, and their deaths always, throughout history, cause us to long for something better.

Speaking for America... You want to judge us since 1945? Okay, well, you're speaking English not German, so let's just take a moment to ponder the significance of that historian's cut-off date. You want to be a pragmatist? Then there'll be blood on your hands, ...or nuclear fallout. But, hey, no Nazi's.

Honestly, I'd say as a people, we were completely clueless until Nixon. And even now, we can still be rather self-blind and animalistic, but less so than before, when everything was white-washed over with pure, blind nationalism.

We're becoming more self-conscious, more self-critical. But, I mean, we still want to survive.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes, I saw it as a purely idealistic post.

I don't mind idealism, btw.

Some of his ideals match mine. Some don't. C'est la vie.

But an idealistic rant against idealism isn't... ideal.

IMVHO.

[Ankh]

First off, I am not an astrologer. But, I think we can find some insight into this conflict by looking at the birthday of the modern Hebrew Nation. The Israeli Declaration of Independence was made on 14 May 1948 the exact time and place is unknown (to me). The best I can tell this; the state of Israeli Sun is in Aries, Moon is in Cancer and Mars is in Leo. So, someone correct me if I am wrong? The egregore of the Modern Hebrew Nation is ruled by a Mars, Jupiter mentality.

From Solunars (olunars.net/viewforum.php?f=19) we find the Mars Jupiter aspect reads;
MARS-JUPITER (Keyword: EXCESSIVE)
"Gusto" in life is what this person wants more than anything else. Often called the aspect of extremism, Mars-Jupiter shows competition exalted to godhood and the need to prove one's strength in victory emphasized. Confidence in their own strength adds an impermanence to any defeats. Such a person usually excels in sports of the military. He is daring, even reckless. The men are chivalrous and usually popular with the opposite sex, the erotic potential in either gender being high. In business he is enterprising and capable at organization, though perhaps a little too brazen and outspoken. He has a "money to burn" impulse, being either excessively generous or extravagant but rarely able to hold onto cash for long. These people are natural barnstormers and evangelists, being public expounders of some doctrine (missionaries, political figures, social workers, etc.). [ADD: Aggressive in their beliefs.]
FURTHER NOTES:
ANGEL-DEVIL Polarity ads a chief theme manifesting in their lives. This develops such standard keys as the oft-interlinked religious fervor (fanaticism?) and sexual "malpractice," but also in other variations of acting angelic and devilish. Reward-punishment or retribution (karmic? divine? legal?) themes are common. [This is very marked in the conjunction especially.]
REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLES: Chuck Berry, Debby Boone, Johnny Carson, Maurice Chevalier, Willem Dafoe, Amelia Earhart, Cheiro, Willy BGrandt, Georges Clemenceau, Adele Davis, Arthur Ashe
THEORETICAL COMPOSITION:
Jupiter enhances, qualifies, instills confidence in (can over inflate), and draws self-valuation from one’s energy levels, aggressive tendencies, “masculinity,” and passions.
Mars pursues aggressively, energizes, enflames, and coarsens one’s socialization, response to social expectations, need to be included, style of gregarious expression, and need for the highest and best.

U.S. PRESIDENTS
CONJ: Grover Cleveland
TRI/SEX: James Polk
STATISTICS wrote:Common for 99 heads of states
Though present in the charts of a very ordinary 59% of rape victims who survived the assault, this shows a scanty 21% of the time for murdered rape victims (Davis). I strongly suspect that this is a strong survival indicator that otherwise has very little to do with vulnerability to rape.

"The classical index ofnatural athletic ability in a horoscope, according to statistics..." (Garth Allen)

Notebook #93 observations: (TRINE-SEXTILE) Service seems to come hard to them (presumably because Mars-Jupiter likes to play).

Mars in Leo can be found here: olunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=75

"Quote JAE: IMVHO...Over the years, Israel has become increasingly like her people's suppressors in WW II. (Not entirely. The difference remains vast. But the trend has been progressively in that direction.)"

Also, If my memory serves me correctly, wasn’t Adolph Hitler ruled by a Mars, Jupiter vibration with his Sun in Aries and Moon in Sagittarius?

[Jim Eshelman]

Israel was founded May 14, 1948, at 4 PM EET in Tel Aviv. The chart is well documented.

Jupiter is exalted in Cancer, so you can certainly consider that a jovian input. A more direct attribution, though, is to consider it martial-lunar, since Mars rules Aries and Moon rules Cancer. Also, Moon is the only planet near an angle in the chart. The fierce patriotism, the commitment to be foremost the homeland of her people, seems foremost in the egregore of the nation.

And they are historically a warrior "race," reaffirming their identity with those tribes who fed blood to the blood-god YHVH, who allegedly took the land in the time of Moses by systematically conquering every other possible group of inhabitants in combat. In their egregore, they are the firstborn of all God's children, and therefore their blood escrowed to him as much as the blood of the firstborn lamb.

Good approach btw...

[Ankh]

"Quote JAE:Jupiter is exalted in Cancer"
Slap forhead!