Vesta

Jim Eshelman

@Thelemic oz said

"I understand liber vesta is a different linage to the predominant one here, but anyone have any details on the book? It's origin, who painted/described the robes and where etc? I've looked through the vol of the equinox and there is no details that I saw. I know some called it the helloween edition etc but that's about all. Any details appreciated thanks in advance."

Do you have its publication? They gave the essential details there. (Does it really matter who their artist was? Or maybe you're just curious.)

It is a modern invention by one cluster of people.

Thelemic oz

Was just curious.

Thelemic oz

Anyone? The equinox has no details to my question so hoping someone has an answer. Thanks in advance.

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Jim Eshelman

Apparently nobody here knows. Surely the modern writers of this document simply acquired whoever could sketch a bit. What' s the interest in such a tedious little detail?

Thelemic oz

I am researching the various robes, so I am seeking data. I understand the 'new' robes are a more modern interpretation and am just seeking the how they come about, who came up with the design and why. That's all. They are interesting and at first glance show stages on the travel up the tree so to speak and I find it interesting and any further data may/may not aid me in my research.

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Jim Eshelman

@Thelemic oz said

"I am researching the various robes, so I am seeking data. I understand the 'new' robes are a more modern interpretation and am just seeking the how they come about, who came up with the design and why. That's all. They are interesting and at first glance show stages on the travel up the tree so to speak and I find it interesting and any further data may/may not aid me in my research. "

Oh, that's what you're asking.

It's probably not right to call them "the new robes." It would appear that they are "the old robes." The authors of the paper got the original description from the robe maker Crowley commissioned to make them circa 1909, the place that advertised in The Equinox.

The designs I published years ago are actually newer. (I didn't know that until I learned that these in Vesta were the original descriptions.) Mine came from a copy Israel Regardie gave me of a paper he typed for Crowley when acting as his secretary, and therefore would represent Crowley's position in the 1930s.

Thelemic oz

Thank you, very interesting!! For some reason they just look more modern, kind techno if I may use the term. Okay, that has thrown a spin on my research. I am having a tough time on the robes, the equinox vol 1 has a bit, rich minds rites of eluisis a bit, but so far your book seems to have most data and is core of my research to date. Thanks again Jim. Now to hunt down copies of the regardie paper!!! (Puts on detectives cap again)

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Jim Eshelman

I doubt you'll find it out there anywhere. It was a single typed page of a few lines, from his files - I copied them down by hand. I reproduced it in one of the later issues of Black Pearl, in my editorial - These are all available as free downloads at www.thelema.org/publication

Thelemic oz

Thanks Jim, I'm onto it right now!!!

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atzilut93

@Jim Eshelman said

"I doubt you'll find it out there anywhere. It was a single typed page of a few lines, from his files - I copied them down by hand. I reproduced it in one of the later issues of Black Pearl, in my editorial - These are all available as free downloads at www.thelema.org/publication"

Hello: Two questions:

Which volume and issue of The Black Pearl are the correct robe designs given?
the link given above seems to be defunct (limitlesslight.org) - are the PDFs of The Black Pearl still available anywhere?

Thanks very much