Do you believe that the Secret Chiefs of the A∴A∴ possess all truth?
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Crowley's description of the A∴A∴ in Liber 33 is clearly derived from the works of von Eckartshausen, rather than being original to Thelema itself—and it honestly sounds like a conspiracy theory! Moreover, in light of Gödel's Theorem, it's impossible for anyone to possess all truth. No one can...
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Liber 33 is indeed derived from Eckartshausen’s Cloud Upon the Sanctuary. The most certain proof of this is that the author says as much at the very top of the document. Liber 33 is a Thelemic version of a classic of occult literature, revised for the New Aeon. It is not derived from “the works of von Eckartshausen”, it’s a mild rewriting of the first chapter of a single book by that author.
I am untrained in mathematics and my comprehension of Gödel’s Theorem is very limited, so I do not see the connection between the truth spoken of in Liber 33 and the mathematics of Gödel. Could you explain more clearly what you are saying, as if to a layman?
I don’t see where in Liber 33 it states that the Secret Chiefs are omniscient? It leads me to wonder if you assume that “truth” as used in this document refers to something more mundane than is intended.
There is an excellent conversation to be had about what is meant by truth, what is meant by the Spirit of Wisdom, what is meant by “perfect knowledge of nature and of humanity”, etc. Alas, your tone clearly indicates that you are not looking for a conversation.
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Liber 33 is indeed derived from Eckartshausen’s Cloud Upon the Sanctuary. The most certain proof of this is that the author says as much at the very top of the document. Liber 33 is a Thelemic version of a classic of occult literature, revised for the New Aeon. It is not derived from “the works of von Eckartshausen”, it’s a mild rewriting of the first chapter of a single book by that author.
I am untrained in mathematics and my comprehension of Gödel’s Theorem is very limited, so I do not see the connection between the truth spoken of in Liber 33 and the mathematics of Gödel. Could you explain more clearly what you are saying, as if to a layman?
I don’t see where in Liber 33 it states that the Secret Chiefs are omniscient? It leads me to wonder if you assume that “truth” as used in this document refers to something more mundane than is intended.
There is an excellent conversation to be had about what is meant by truth, what is meant by the Spirit of Wisdom, what is meant by “perfect knowledge of nature and of humanity”, etc. Alas, your tone clearly indicates that you are not looking for a conversation.
@zeph Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Sorry, English isn’t my native language. Maybe the translation caused some distortion, and came across as impolite in the post.
When I was browsing Liber 33, I was shocked: does it really claim that someone knows all the truth about nature?!
That would mean that for any question—whether scientific, spiritual, or mathematical—there is already a set answer. Humanity wouldn’t need to explore anything, and there would be no room for development (since the Secret Chiefs already know everything)…
This seems to conflict with the “scientific illuminism” advocated by the A∴A∴.
I just wonder if this makes the Thelemic system too closed? After all, that’s a huge claim!
What exactly does “truth” include? The truth value of every mathematical proposition? Tomorrow’s lottery numbers?
Love is law, love under will.