Success is your proof
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93 "Success is your proof, courage your armor." That should be about the easiest thing to understand- If you are truly doing your will you will know by your success but in a world where success is often measured by the size of your house and the price of your car plus the authority or respect you command in the place where you work etc. it becomes hard to determine what all of it is really worth.
Anyone care to try to define "success" in a thelemic sense for me? I'm kinda confused in my rented apartment and still riding the bus...
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@Asraiya said
"Anyone care to try to define "success" in a thelemic sense for me? I'm kinda confused in my rented apartment and still riding the bus..."
(1) Are those factors relevant (one way or the other) to your particular True Will?
(2) Have you identified and are you doing your True Will such that success can be measured?
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@Asraiya said
"I'm kinda confused in my rented apartment and still riding the bus..."
I wish there were buses that took me where I need to go. I'm stuck having to drive a car!
The point is -- and I feel sure you really knew this -- that you don't measure success by the size of your house or the price of your car. You create (or discover) your own metric and to hell with what anyone else values. Maybe a car would spell freedom to you; to me, it is a just prison on wheels. For these fools of men and their big houses and fancy cars, care not thou at all.
The tokens of success are the sense of increased freedom and love, or, poetically expressed, "my ecstasy, the consciousness of the continuity of existence, the omnipresence of my body." Failure is marked by feelings of bondage and loathing.
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93 guys!
Sorry but I must not have been very clear...
Of course I know not to build my castle on sand! I intentionally minimize my expenses so I don't have to slave full time. I do stop and check-in to make sure I'm deligently progressing towards the end where we meet. Sometimes it feels like I'm not moving but compared to last year at this time I'm absolutely golden so no worries.
I was trying to see if we as a community of thelemites could redefine what it means to be successful with some integrity based on our collective intentions or attempts at least to exist within our true nature. I was kinda going on the theory that if we put it out there more that joy and inner peace is success and greed's a sign of failure to be comfortable with yourself then it would further our Work. 100th monkey maybe? Start a trend or something.. That's the point of this forum and the order right? We can do anything truly if we unite!
93 until 93
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@Asraiya said
"I was trying to see if we as a community of thelemites could redefine what it means to be successful with some integrity based on our collective intentions or attempts at least to exist within our true nature. I was kinda going on the theory that if we put it out there more that joy and inner peace is success"
Hi Asraiya! 93!
While new to thelemic tradition, I enjoy reading the forums. I'll throw out my $.02.
Success has already been adequately defined in thelemic tradition through the idea of following one's will. One's True Will might have nothing to do at all with joy and inner peace. It might, for instance, be fury.
From Liber ALEPH vel CXI 6, ULTIMA THESIS DE AMORE:
"Therefore, o my Son, be thou wary, not bowing before the false Idols and ideals, yet not flaming forth in Fury against them, unless that be thy Will."
Success may well be defined as identifying one's True Will and following it out to its ends, whatever those ends may be -- even if those ends are difficult or unpleasant. If you find peace and contentment in your practice and if you also feel you are doing your True Will, so much the better. But success does not need to be redefined; it already has a decisive thelemic definition in love and will.
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Gyps_Fulvus 93!
You are absolutely right! Good work seriously
I was just coming back on here to do some explaining as I finally realized what's been going on with me the past maybe 4-5 days or since mars went Rt.. I've been having a little spell of post traumatic stress syndrome from an ordeal that started exactly a year ago that just about obliterated me completely. I am stubbornly naive and fiercely compassionate, classic martyr complex, my spirit almost just couldn't cope with the high capacity for cruelty being undeservedly shown to me (actually it was oblivious deflection mostly) when all I was trying to do was love my heart out. I couldn't figure out what I had done wrong karmically or how I had sunk so low to attract such an evil entity who went about systematically try break my will to love or live. Not going into details. I don't want sympathy! I let it happen by not loving myself. I was the demon out to get me. I would do whatever it takes to save the world which is beautiful and endearing and priceless to me now.
Save the cheerleader save the world
SUCCESS- TO ME! TO ME! -
PS. I've been having the same kind of anxious insecure feelings I had back then recently. My confidence was lost and I couldn't succeed financially to save my soul. Just my fear of SUCCESS immediantly after the most beautiful reflection I could have ever found if I went looking furiously but didn't, he mysteriously found me. It scares the crap out of me...
peace.
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93! (me again..)
I think I do have a vague definition for "success" if I may: It's kinda like karma except you have to <b>invest 3 fold</b> before you're eligible for benefits... Patience is key!
So I'd like to open this thread up now for what I think my original intentions were whether conscious or not, or clearly stated, for others to share their life's affirmations that they are on the path of their will, if it is their will, to aid and inspire others who are not sure or momentarily unclear. GIVE THANKS!!
Namaste