A qustion on Thelemic pantheon!
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I have read and studyed Thelema and Crowleys work off and on now for some years and I would like to know why in Thelema does not in include Set [Or Seth] in its pantheon of practice? why doesnt Set play a mager part in any of the Thelemic workings?
I find this odd to being the conection with Crowley and his HGA being known as Aiwass/Shaitan..the Peacock angel..The dark god of the South Set..and Saturn the great Intiater...all personfications of this great Dark Cosmic force.
If any one could shead some information on this it would be more than helpfull.
SetiDraconis
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@SetiDraconis said
"I have read and studyed Thelema and Crowleys work off and on now for some years and I would like to know why in Thelema does not in include Set [Or Seth] in its pantheon of practice? why doesnt Set play a mager part in any of the Thelemic workings?"
Some people do include Set in specific rituals.
But to answer your basic question about the Thelemic pantheon, it's that Set isn't mentioned directly in The Book of the Law.
"I find this odd to being the conection with Crowley and his HGA being known as Aiwass/Shaitan..the Peacock angel..The dark god of the South Set..and Saturn the great Intiater...all personfications of this great Dark Cosmic force."
It sounds to me like you've been reading a bit of Grant.
But a deeper answer: Don't confuse Crowley's personal work with Thelema.
And a seemingly unserious answer that is actually serious: Aiwass is probably the most qualified to answer this particular question.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
"III, 22. The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me. I am the visible object of worship; the others are secret; for the Beast & his Bride are they: and for the winners of the Ordeal x. What is this? Thou shalt know."
this is about as close as Liber AL vel Legis comes to talking about working with gods that are not specifically mentioned. the point is - as i understand it - that you can basically work with any god or goddess you like, because they all cluster to exalt ra-hoor-kuit.
that said, i personally believe certain things should be avoided. i wouldn't personally work with any of the "gods" associated with the religions directly cursed a bit later on in the chaper (III 51-53.)
other than that, well, maybe he just didn't need set for anything! i hear this kind of thing a lot in different contexts - "crowley was lesbophobic because he didn't write any woman-woman sex magick!" i mean, how could he have?
his own work is quite an excellent primer and rubric for our own, but the bottom line is that they're just that - an example of thelemic magick created by the prophet of the lovely star. we're not supposed to just stop there and never do anything other than what he did!
another way of putting this would be that there aren't any set-related rituals in the thelemic cannon because you haven't written them yet!
Love is the law, love under will
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@luxinhominefactum said
"that said, i personally believe certain things should be avoided. i wouldn't personally work with any of the "gods" associated with the religions directly cursed a bit later on in the chaper (III 51-53.)"
Understanding that you wouldn't
... I think that, in part, this is exactly what Horus is encouraging. To worship Madonna and Christ child is to worship Isis and infant Horus, etc. Or, for that matter, worshipping any god at all is, at root, worshipping that ONE that, in the quoted verse, is represented by Horus. -
@Jim Eshelman said
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@luxinhominefactum said
"that said, i personally believe certain things should be avoided. i wouldn't personally work with any of the "gods" associated with the religions directly cursed a bit later on in the chaper (III 51-53.)"Understanding that you wouldn't
... I think that, in part, this is exactly what Horus is encouraging. To worship Madonna and Christ child is to worship Isis and infant Horus, etc. Or, for that matter, worshipping any god at all is, at root, worshipping that ONE that, in the quoted verse, is represented by Horus."I also remind that in mystery schools the point (that I got) is that one can enter ANY temple and comfortably "worship" because we understand that they all contain some truth (no one has all) and that they are all different outer methods of a people's attempt to unite with that ONE God. The outer form is manifested according to temperment, time, culture, education, etc. but they all are attempts at the same union. The Rosicrucians, for example, taught this but also "suggested" that one keep the religion they were born into, but with this additional knowledge. I believe that Abramelin the mage said the same thing in the Sacred Magic.
IMHO, one should be able to go to a Catholic Mass, a Mosque, a Jewish temple, or a Buddhist temple and feel comfortable there, seeing the truths that each contain as well as the errors. But to focus on the truth that each contain is the focus on the one pure source we all aspire to.
As mystery school students we should also never belittle or insult another's religion, no matter how "wrong" we believe it to be. In fact, I wuld say that no religions are "wrong." Only individual interpretation of that religion is "wrong."
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I feel that everything that has been said so far is spot-on. Worship whomever you like, whenever you like.
I'm reminded that some Hindu teachers believe that different yogas are appropriate for different temperaments, thus, for "emotional personalities" Bhakti yoga is considered most appropriate. To me, the beauty of Thelema is that it allows for all temperaments and practices. According to the Myers-Briggs/Kiersey I am a solid INFP - an emotional personality if ever there was one, so it seemed right when I first discovered Thelema a few years ago that I concentrated first on exploring Paganism, and reading Liber Astarte, and only fairly recently began investigating Ceremonial Magick.
It all just works out wonderfully.
Love=Law
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Of course 'Dark' does not have to be seen as Evil, or Negative etc. It is simply unknown, unseen, untraversed. Just a thought.
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@MQL said
"Of course 'Dark' does not have to be seen as Evil, or Negative etc. It is simply unknown, unseen, untraversed. Just a thought.
"Indeed. We may find that the "darkness" of such deities can be a brilliant and illuminating darkness.
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