AL III:38
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In Liber AL vel Legis, it is written:
So that thy light is in me; & its red flame is a sword in my hand to push thy order. There is a secret door that I shall make to establish thy way in all the quarters, (these are the adorations, as thou hast written), as it is said:
The light is mine; its rays consume
Me: I have made a secret door
Into the House of Ra and Tum,
Of Khephra and of Ahathoor.
I am thy Theban, O Mentu,
The prophet Ankh-af-na-khonsu!By. Bes-na-Maut my breast I beat;
By wise Ta-Nech I weave my spell.
Show thy star-splendour, O Nuit!
Bid me within thine House to dwell,
O winged snake of light, Hadit!
Abide with me, Ra-Hoor-Khuit!In the handwritten manuscript by Crowley, this poetry is mostly omitted. Is this just my version, or is there other instances of this happening?
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Before the dictation of Liber L., Crowley had commissioned a translation of the text on the Stele of Revealing, and had paraphrased it into poetry. There are two places - one in Chapter 1 and one in Chapter 3 - where Aiwass told him to insert the poetry he'd already written.
So the original manuscript just says variations of, "Later, insert that other stuff here."
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Thanks Jim.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Before the dictation of Liber L., Crowley had commissioned a translation of the text on the Stele of Revealing, and had paraphrased it into poetry. There are two places - one in Chapter 1 and one in Chapter 3 - where Aiwass told him to insert the poetry he'd already written.
So the original manuscript just says variations of, "Later, insert that other stuff here.""
This seems unrelated to time. This could suggest that Aiwass exists outside the frame of time, knowing that in the future that Crowley would make such a commission ("Later, insert what I know in the later you will translate") or it could further suggest the "scam" that has previously on this board been suggested. How do you feel about that?
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Shrug. Ultimately don't know. See no reason to take a position against the historic story.
As for when it was translated, there is given brief quotation of the poetic paraphrase. That strains credulity a bit on doubting he hadn't already written the poems.
But Aiwass as 4th dimensional? Sure.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"See no reason to take a position against the historic story."
The question, though, is whether someone has reason to accept Crowley's far-flung, wild tale.
After all -- to give another example of wild supernatural tales -- what reason is there to "take a position against," say, wackaloo Christian preacher Ray Comfort's tale that the spirit of Zombie Jesus came to him one night and transformed his life? What reason is there to "take a position against" Cletus' story that aliens beamed him aboard the mothership for a fine evening of probing?
Surely, you can't be suggesting that, in the absence of evidence against it, people should accept every wild tale they hear. Yet that's precisely what your argument implies.
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@Los said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"See no reason to take a position against the historic story."The question, though, is whether someone has reason to accept Crowley's far-flung, wild tale.
After all -- to give another example of wild supernatural tales -- what reason is there to "take a position against," say, wackaloo Christian preacher Ray Comfort's tale that the spirit of Zombie Jesus came to him one night and transformed his life? What reason is there to "take a position against" Cletus' story that aliens beamed him aboard the mothership for a fine evening of probing?
Surely, you can't be suggesting that, in the absence of evidence against it, people should accept every wild tale they hear. Yet that's precisely what your argument implies."
I think we get it Los. This is getting sooooooooooo booorrriiinnnggg. "Zombie Jesus" this "zombie Jesus" that, "whakaloo" here "goblin oogity boogity" Blah Blah there. Pointless...for you to really say ANYTHING anymore lol.
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Jesus was not a zombie. He wasn't really mindless, and he's not known for his hunger for the brains of the living. I've seen a case made that he is a lich, since he had the power of necromancy, and through magic had become an immortal being in possession of a corporeal body still bearing the wounds of death.
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@Los said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"See no reason to take a position against the historic story."The question, though, is whether someone has reason to accept Crowley's far-flung, wild tale.
After all -- to give another example of wild supernatural tales -- what reason is there to "take a position against," say, wackaloo Christian preacher Ray Comfort's tale that the spirit of Zombie Jesus came to him one night and transformed his life? What reason is there to "take a position against" Cletus' story that aliens beamed him aboard the mothership for a fine evening of probing?
Surely, you can't be suggesting that, in the absence of evidence against it, people should accept every wild tale they hear. Yet that's precisely what your argument implies."
'Tales' as you put them may not be designed to show one an empirical truth, but rather lead one to the mystery.
Decarte dreamed of an angel telling him that the mastery of nature was through number and measure.
I suppose some experiences have explanatory power
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NOTE: At this point, the thread went seriously off-topic and never returned. I just deleted everything on this thread that is not (in any exaggerated sense) part of addressing the original question.