Humorous - I think: Liber L and 9/11
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I found this amusing and fun. Perhaps I should've put it in the "toys" section.
I can't figure out the author's position for sure. I think ze advocates Thelema as a means of rejecting the "New World Order". Or as a way of selling t-shirts. I'm not sure which.
So... Liber L supposedly predicts the attacks on the WTC. It also provides instructions ("past them from left to right...") on how to access a separate prophecy about the attacks, a prophecy visually encoded into US dollar bills. Actually, the pictures are pretty good.
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@sasha said
"So... Liber L supposedly predicts the attacks on the WTC."
The conspiracy stuff on this site is silly, of course (at least to me). But 9/11 was one of the factors that induced me to think more in terms of Thelema and True Will in my own life. The struggle for freedom is a unique part of the American experiment (as Paul Case... and Jim E have mentioned) and Thelema seems to be a path that embraces the need for that.
(But the way we go about it is important, too. I'll refrain from saying more, to avoid any disagreements over divisive politics!)
Note, though, that there was one flight on that fateful day where the passengers stood up and asserted their Wills in a particularly effective way. What flight number was that again?
Steve
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If anyone has any passing interest in seeing my political stance on the issue, look at the bottom of the front page on <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.aumha.org">www.aumha.org</a><!-- w -->
Not knowing Steve's politics, I don't know if I agree with him on the undisclosed part, but I certainly do on the written part.
As I've mentioned before - with mixed emotion - whereas Crowley observed progressively larger wars being started 9 months after each of his publications of Liber Legis, I note that the hard cover publication of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. occurred on December 11, 2000 e.v. ... doing the math is optional.
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@WarEngine said
"whats with this number 888?
I find strange occurances with this number"Jesus: Greek IHSOUS
In relation to this, Bond and Leigh (not at all surprising) found numerous New Testament numerical structures tying into the number.
The most important raw mathematical significance of this enumeration is that Christos is 1,480. Yesous : Christos :: Yesous Christos = 888 : 1,480 :: 2,368 and is the same ratio - just expanded 296 times - as 3 : 5 :: 8, the key represenation of the Golden Mean (and implying 358 and all the rest).
A couple of fun spin-offs of this are that, in Hebrew, 888 is AMTh VAMTh, "Truth of Truth," while in Greek it is DYSThEOS, "hated by the gods." Go figger.
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Regarding the T-shirts...
WarEngine, I haven't had time to load and look at the shirt images, but likely will do so in an idle moment at work in the next few days. I wish you well. I also welcome you to the forum.
Probably because this forum tends to be pretty free of commercial posts, I'm already starting to get messages from participants asking me if your "selling stuff" is OK with me. To answer them, and be really clear to you, I thought I'd post my long answer here:
My general view - forged on my computer support forum where I have sometimes gotten many dozens of spamming registrants per day - is that people who register for the forum solely to sell things have no place here and I remove them. They generally don't actually participate.
On the other hand, people who join the forum to be participants and happen to have a commercial web site are welcome to post it in their profile and signature. It seems reasonable that they mention their products when (as in the present case) these may be of general interest, more in terms of introducing themselves than of making it their reason for being present.
The key, then, is whether one intends to actually be a forum participant who incidentally sells T-shirts vs. a T-shirt salesman who happens to be posting on the forum.
That's how I see it. Thus far, I see a new forum member introducing himself by jumping on existing threads (btw, there's an "introduce yourself" type of thread in General Discussion). I haven't yet read all of your posts, but have no problem with what I've read - and, again, I welcome you to the forums.
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@WarEngine said
"Personally I think what is silly is how people have to call something that happened to me a conspiracy. I do not know why people have to make up crap about what happened to me, how I found the material and the fact that I had never read the majority of the books I started to get drawn to after finding the prophecy."
If this refers to my statement above (from July 3) that "The conspiracy stuff on this site is silly, of course (at least to me)." . . . then I certainly apologize if I mis-characterized the content of the site as "conspiracy" related, if it is not. I did not mean to make up anything that was not on the site. It's true that I didn't find much of particular interest (to me) when I first took a look at the site, and I used the particularly insensitive shorthand-term "silly" to convey that. Bad choice of words, certainly. I will give the site another look.
Steve