how to get the astral body and astral travel
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
How do we make the astral body, What are the Rituals, and how do we will to astral travel. Any tips anyone, and what are some books and rituals and tips for instruction to create the astral body and start astral traveling
Love is the law, love under will
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@Kingsolomon said
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
How do we make the astral body, What are the Rituals, and how do we will to astral travel. Any tips anyone, and what are some books and rituals and tips for instruction to create the astral body and start astral traveling
Love is the law, love under will"
Check out section V of Liber O...
www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/libero.html
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Exactly. - you can also get Liber O here:
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Are you kidding? Liber O? Are you informed that it writes about fair mastery of asana, pranayama...
My minor research shows that it's a lot harder than Liber O. It is first Liber E to be exact.
For me a good practical guide is "Robert Bruce - Astral Dynamics". -
To be clear: The yoga you mention is in Liber E. The body of light training is in Liber O.
It's not that "it's a lot harder than Liber O," it's that there are some tricks along the way - but these are usually taught in person. Crowley wrote many times that he could get a person "out" on a single tutorial. Generally, that's been my experience, too.
Speaking of Liber E, I should add that the more experience you have with meditation, the easier this will be. For someone well-experienced in preparing themselves for and entering into meditation, and who has the preliminaries from Liber O mastered (the steps in the first sections), the remaining steps are almost trivial.
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It's not that "it's a lot harder than Liber O," it's that there are some tricks along the way - but these are usually taught in person. Crowley wrote many times that he could get a person "out" on a single tutorial. Generally, that's been my experience, too. "Jim, who will teach us? the A.'. A.'. Instructors really dont teach in person.. do they?
Who can show us this.. because this is where my magick is leading
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@Kingsolomon said
"Jim, who will teach us? the A.'. A.'. Instructors really dont teach in person.. do they?"
Of course they do. That's the whole point: A one-on-one relationship with someone who has been through it.
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When me and my psionics friends were training with projection, what we would usually do is just both project somewhere, both at the same time, then describe how it looked, one after the other, to make sure we were seeing the same thing. We did conscious projection, we did not do the full out of body projection. What happened to us after that is we developed two main levels of our energy bodies, one body which stayed at home and another which was highly active and mobile. That kind of projection is allot like doing energy manipulation and viewing at long range, simultaniously.
As we trained more we learned we could have more than one body of light, and link each of the bodies together so that they all operated under a single overmind in a higher dimension. The possabilities were limitless of what kinds of mental energy structures we could make; the only main problem we had was density. It's not easy to get your astral double up to a high enough energy concentration so that it can do any sort of physically tangible miracle. Normally the mind is made of very lite, thin materials that are easy to work with, but not normally heavy or dense at all, so that there is a lacking of brute force in the mental [astral] body.
There are so many ways you can go with this kind of training; many different possable outcomes. Focusing on raising up the planes can bring your mind into new dimensions and new levels of mobile access/awareness, but it's different than charging each day. You could instead take a few hours every day to meditate on drawing energy into your astral body as a main or only practice instead of raising up the planes, too. That'd be similar to the middle pillar ritual. There are some people who develop their mental energy-body differently through vampirism, where they drain vital forces and materials from out of other people and each time, they gain a percentage of the other person's strengths until they have the vital force of ten or a hundred or a thousand men [depending on how far and advanced they are ever able to advance]. Some people never use astral projection at all, and each dimensional layer of their energies remains grounded to their physical body, as they do all of their mental and energy work manually, short range just by their physical location. There are others who do a type of astral combat training with eachother in order to develop more, where each one projects somehow then fights within certain parameters; again that's different than rising up the planes but it still produces certain advancements.
I'd personally recommend that you use your astral, aetheric and whatever else all at the same time, layered. Each every-body working simultaniously and harmoniously instead of one being separate from the others, so that the development is not imbalanced, and so that each energetic layer of yourself is improved in a united and whole manor. For the training, just simple things like sit in meditation pose, then push and pull ambient energies around the room for about a half hour each day.
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"It's not that "it's a lot harder than Liber O," it's that there are some tricks along the way"
Jim, just what are the tricks? I cannot not make the trip to NYC, But in this tough economy. I will be able to travel there soon
Please let me know of the tricks. I would like to start the travel as soon as possible, astrally, and for a test, i'll visit someone.
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and tthank you dannerz i appreciate it..
I will start practiding tonight with this
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@Kingsolomon said
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"It's not that "it's a lot harder than Liber O," it's that there are some tricks along the way"Jim, just what are the tricks?"
Any that I could write down are things I received under obligation, and can only communicate the same way. They're in writing, but only distributed to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
The ones that I can communicate can't really be written down. I need to be there, in person, walking someone through, getting their feedback, monitoring them astrally, going along with them. As far as I can tell, this is what Crowley did in those situations where he said that, in a single session, he could get anyone "out." It's actually not that hard to get an A.'.A.'. 1=10 on the right path pretty fast when they have the preliminaries down that I mentioned above.
BTW, this thread has moved in the direction of discussing OBE, which has almost nothing to do with the "body of light" work used in the mysteries. It's fine on its own, producing a few interesting shifts of consciousness, but rarely has anything to do with the paths of training of the A.'.A.'. or related schools. (If you want to watch your neighbor shower, it's fun to know how, of course. Gets boring after a while, though.)
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ok jim, so youre saying, that I have to be a neophyte of the A.'. A.'. to get the body of light astral training.
and theres no other way to speed this up in the traing of the temple of thelema?
Ok, I'll get on that path as soon as I get the money to go visit my superior in the T.O.T
thanks for putting up with my silly questions
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Any that I could write down are things I received under obligation, and can only communicate the same way. They're in writing, but only distributed to the Second Order of Temple of Thelema.
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It's actually not that hard to get an A.'.A.'. 1=10 on the right path pretty fast when they have the preliminaries down that I mentioned above.
"Jim,
Is this usually the case in the standard A.'.A.'. system? I.e. that ones mentor will be able to provide direct one-on-one assistance in such cases where a student is having trouble (or at least initial hurdles) with this technique? I had thought this relationship was usually a matter of written advice and reference.
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@Halcyon said
"Is this usually the case in the standard A.'.A.'. system? I.e. that ones mentor will be able to provide direct one-on-one assistance in such cases where a student is having trouble (or at least initial hurdles) with this technique? I had thought this relationship was usually a matter of written advice and reference."
Simple answer: Yes, it's the standard of the system as initially designed.
More complete answer: Different relationships are different since they consist of different people. Therefore, we find some variability in how each teacher-pupil relationship evolves.
But this is the whole idea of the method in the first place: That each aspirant has someone to work with them directly. Much of the system is only delivered person-to-person.
It's particularly important that the Probationer (0=0) is mostly left alone unless they ask specific questions or request particular assistance. A significant part of the Probationer task is to start finding their own way through the mass of what's present. The assigned work beginning in 1=10 (and especially in 2=9) becomes much more directed and specific, so the real foundation of discovering one's own strengths and weaknesses, what does and doesn't seem to work, where one has resistances, the part of the curriculum to which one is especially drawn, etc., ideally should be done at Probationer.
For the proper balance, I might suggest you read in this regard Liber E, Cap. VII, pars. 6-7.
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"But this is the whole idea of the method in the first place: That each aspirant has someone to work with them directly. Much of the system is only delivered person-to-person."
Guidance from another's personal experience is a useful thing, but having someone who is able to actual offer tricks and specific refinements to the methodology sounds like a very useful thing indeed.
"For the proper balance, I might suggest you read in this regard Liber E, Cap. VII, pars. 6-7."
This has always been one of the most encouraging of Crowley's stances I've come across.
Thanks for the discussion.
From Liber E:
- Let him further remember that he must in no wise rely upon, or believe in, that master. He must rely entirely upon himself, and credit nothing whatever but that which lies within his own knowledge and experience.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law:
@Jim Eshelman said
"But this is the whole idea of the method in the first place: That each aspirant has someone to work with them directly. Much of the system is only delivered person-to-person. "
Why do you taunt us? The A.'.A.'. will not respond to me, nor to many others on this forum. We are to have nothing but printed word and emoticons...
Love is the law, love under will.
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@jlpugh said
"Why do you taunt us? The A.'.A.'. will not respond to me, nor to many others on this forum."
Out of all of the occultists & thelemites I know, NOT ONE of them has ever heard back from any Cancellarius of any A.'.A.'. organization.
L.Lazuli
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@Lapis said
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@jlpugh said
"Why do you taunt us? The A.'.A.'. will not respond to me, nor to many others on this forum."Out of all of the occultists & thelemites I know, NOT ONE of them has ever heard back from any Cancellarius of any A.'.A.'. organization.
L.Lazuli"
So how do you think all the people who joined any A.'.A.'. actually got into their organizations then?
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@Lapis said
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@jlpugh said
"Why do you taunt us? The A.'.A.'. will not respond to me, nor to many others on this forum."Out of all of the occultists & thelemites I know, NOT ONE of them has ever heard back from any Cancellarius of any A.'.A.'. organization.
L.Lazuli"
So how do you think all the people who joined any A.'.A.'. actually got into their organizations then?
I'm honestly curious.."I'm not saying they don't - I just don't know anyone who has. I haven't. My husband hasn't - & he's been trough with the Student Curriculum for years. There are several here on this very forum who do not get a response. I know of at least 15 others who have written & never heard back.
L.Lazuli
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@Lapis said
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@FraterLucius said
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@Lapis said
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@jlpugh said
"Why do you taunt us? The A.'.A.'. will not respond to me, nor to many others on this forum."Out of all of the occultists & thelemites I know, NOT ONE of them has ever heard back from any Cancellarius of any A.'.A.'. organization.
L.Lazuli"
So how do you think all the people who joined any A.'.A.'. actually got into their organizations then?
I'm honestly curious.."I'm not saying they don't - I just don't know anyone who has. I haven't. My husband hasn't - & he's been trough with the Student Curriculum for years. There are several here on this very forum who do not get a response. I know of at least 15 others who have written & never heard back.
L.Lazuli"
As I am new to the forum and don't really know the inner workings of the Temple Of Thelema in particular, has any reason been provided as to why applicants get no reply?
I think we are starting to drift OT here though...