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Order of Letters in Liber XXII

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    Frater SOL
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    In the Domarum Mercurii Cum Suis Geniis section of Liber XXII, Vau is given before Heh in the letter sequence. This same inconsistency does not appear in the Carcerorum Qliphoth Cum Suis Geniis section ...was this, to anyone's knowledge, an artistic oversight or were they ordered this way intentionally? Thanks for any help.

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    I've never seen any particular mention of anything special about this, so it was probably just a layout issue.

    I also don't know what practical import it might have if you're using each of the sigils by itself.

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I also don't know what practical import it might have if you're using each of the sigils by itself."

    None whatsoever ...I just thought it to be a curious inconsistency. Thanks for the reply.

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    These are sigils? I took them to be archaic arcana, a primitive tarot of sorts. How are they to be used?

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    @Red Eagle of Death said

    "These are sigils? I took them to be archaic arcana, a primitive tarot of sorts. How are they to be used?"

    "Let him sit and conjure; let him draw himself together in that forcefulness; let him rise next swollen and straining; let him dash back the hood from his head and fix his basilisk eye upon the sigil of the demon. Then let him sway the force of him to and from like a satyr in silence, until the Word burst from his throat." - Liber A'ash, v. 13

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    @RifRaf said

    "Arsihsis, have you done much work with this Liber? This is one that I haven't really worked with beyond reading it. Is the method you gave above (from A'ash) the best (for lack of a better term) method?"

    I haven't worked with all of the sigils in the liber, but I have worked with enough to consider myself fairly familiar with the document.
    I favor the method described in Liber A'ash, but skrying the sigils can be just as profitable ...I suppose one could approach them from a number of angles.

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    @RifRaf said

    "Would you say to work "up" from Tau to Aleph as one would when Pathwroking the Tree, or could you, for instance, scry the Path corresponding to your birth sign? Just wanted to get a few takes on this from someone who has worked with it before I dive in."

    I would say each of those is a valid approach. I started with the one corresponding to my ascendant, & have since only used them 'as needed'.
    If you are skrying the sigils rather than using the A'ash method, then a systematic approach such as your former suggestion would be most profitable.

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    @RifRaf said

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    "These are sigils? I took them to be archaic arcana, a primitive tarot of sorts. How are they to be used?"

    Some have called them the "secret powers and energies of the Tarot", they are also 22 Q'lipoth and 22 spirits "from the houses of Hermes"."

    So, rather than use them as the major arcana, they should be used with them?

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    @Red Eagle of Death said

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    @Red Eagle of Death said
    "These are sigils? I took them to be archaic arcana, a primitive tarot of sorts. How are they to be used?"

    Some have called them the "secret powers and energies of the Tarot", they are also 22 Q'lipoth and 22 spirits "from the houses of Hermes"."

    So, rather than use them as the major arcana, they should be used with them?"

    DuQuette's *Tarot of Ceremonial Magick *deck incorporates both the sigils of the Mercurii & the Qliphoth into the Atu.

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