Predicting the future - why isn't it widely known?
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If one is far enough upstream then they may get a glimpse of the Yetziratic blueprint & how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time. Nothing is written in stone, & reading the 'future' is no more profound than reading a hexagram of the I Ching.
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@Arsihsis said
"If one is far enough upstream then they may get a glimpse of the Yetziratic blueprint & how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time. Nothing is written in stone, & reading the 'future' is no more profound than reading a hexagram of the I Ching."
That is nonsense. Yetziratic blueprint? You mean imagine what may occur? Do you have any evidence of this whatsoever? Any sort of occurence of this in your own life or someone else's? What you speak of isnt reading the future, its guessing at it.
OP: Its not widely known because that study is bullshit. Beware of pseudoscience which is bullshit parading as science. Most people dont understand how to read studies or even what the implications would be. Also, most scientific studies are not self-contained but reference otehr works constantly, even citing almost identical studies to show that it has been repeated, etc. None of this is present in most 'parapsychological' work.
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
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@Arsihsis said
"If one is far enough upstream then they may get a glimpse of the Yetziratic blueprint & how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time. Nothing is written in stone, & reading the 'future' is no more profound than reading a hexagram of the I Ching."Any sort of occurence of this in your own life or someone else's?"
The only direct experience I have with this phenomenon is as follows.
Every July 4 my family used to throw a huge party with booze, music, the lot. A month or so before 7/4 I had a dream in which a small child walked off into the pool & drowned & nobody noticed because of all of the commotion from the party. Half joking, I called my mother the next morning & told her to cancel the party lest something bad befall one of the kids. She assured me this was all nonsense & told me she would do no such thing. Well, by the time July rolled around, it was announced that there would be no party due to an illness in the family. By the time the 4th arrived, our immediate family just got together & had a small dinner rather than the blow out party. While we were eating, my mother happened to notice some activity in the pool which was visible from the dining room window. Out of motherly instinct she darted out the door & lo & behold, the 3 year old had walked off into the pool & was in extreme distress. My mother dove in & recued her.
I only recount this event because even though I had a glimpse of what was to happen, it did not happen the way I saw. The party was canceled & Bridget did not drown. This experience has led me to assume that one may get a glimpse of the how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time, but the future is not definite & can be altered with each moment.
...I could be wrong
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@Arsihsis said
"I only recount this event because even though I had a glimpse of what was to happen, it did not happen the way I saw. The party was canceled & Bridget did not drown. This experience has led me to assume that one may get a glimpse of the how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time, but the future is not definite & can be altered with each moment."
I agree entirely. What good is prophecy if you can't change it? I don't remember where, but there is a saying I heard once the goes "a good prophecy is one avoided".
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@Aum418 said
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@Arsihsis said
"OP: Its not widely known because that study is bullshit. Beware of pseudoscience which is bullshit parading as science. Most people dont understand how to read studies or even what the implications would be. Also, most scientific studies are not self-contained but reference otehr works constantly, even citing almost identical studies to show that it has been repeated, etc. None of this is present in most 'parapsychological' work.
IAO131"
"Well I must admit that I have never tried this experiment, and perhaps I should. He said at the start of the book that one of the qualifiers for his experiments would be that it is verifiable, or in his words "Try it and see!".
His method is unique in the sense that by measuring three variables, he gets a greater degree of accuracy. Also, his theory of "future-memory" implies that one would have to see the event happen in the future to be able to predict it.
I've decided to allocate thirthy minutes to this practice for the next 30 days, I'll let you know if it's actually BS or not
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@Lapis said
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@Arsihsis said
"I only recount this event because even though I had a glimpse of what was to happen, it did not happen the way I saw. The party was canceled & Bridget did not drown. This experience has led me to assume that one may get a glimpse of the how events may unfold based on the energies present in that specific moment in time, but the future is not definite & can be altered with each moment."I agree entirely. What good is prophecy if you can't change it? I don't remember where, but there is a saying I heard once the goes "a good prophecy is one avoided"."
The good is not in the changing of it, but in the preparing for it, and the accepting of it.
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"Just by the act of knowing the supposed "future" things can and will change."
Wait...wait...I'm trying to digest this one...
If I "know" the future, then it changes
But if I don't "know" the future... it won't change?
Does that mean I shouldn't schedule my appointments anymore because then they won't happen at the time I "know" they will?Don't answer that.. I'm just kidding around...
But seriously... I have no idea what you're saying and what value it has...
But I like it
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"1. Why isn't this more widely known? "
As Rifraff said, this method of divination is not all that useful and purported results anecdotal. The author of the book could have been linking to his acausal self in 5D, and is almost the same excercise Crowley gives in Liber E, except there Tarot is used instead of playing cards. At best instruments such as runes, Tarot, chicken entrails on the wall, etc, are potential pre-emergent indicators, and are open way too far to subjective interpretation. Experts at resolving the Qabalistic symbolism, or those who can understand runes in context to the emergence of token animals, may actually get something accurate. There have been instances when the universe is less ordered and more chaotic where they may have been useful, but not so much for the currents coming through these days. Then again, chaos is chaos, and these tools are likely useful for divination to some in certain situations.
"And besides, isn't the future and the past, i.e. time itself just an illusion, a reflection of the higher reality that is not linear anyway?"
Nicely stated.
"If one is far enough upstream"
I have been upstream and experienced this, not nearly to Yetzirah, more like 1 second removed from the present, where I knew what would emerge before it did, like a wind blowing through me. It did not last that long, and was not all that useful, but still interesting.
Probably to go upstream to that level and get any accurate divination, most people will need to ask for help, because we don't have the hardware to translate the currents into anything comprehensible back home in Malkuth (well most of us I suspect...the gifted are out there). Intelligences that can be invoked/evoked are infinitely more intelligent than us, and can inspect the astral currents and act as a translator to give us useful and accurate prophecy. But because they must express it in our world of duality to be of any use to us, this adds some challenges. These could manifest as paradoxes, lies, or just garbage...asking the right question can help I think. So to modify the card experiment using this approach, the operator would invoke and either ask the entity the order of the cards or give it control of his body to 'guess' the cards. A variation could be to ask the entity to order the cards a certain way, however this gets into influencing manifestation and has different mechanics and consequences. But you are not likely to read about these in any science or even psuedo-science journal...at least not anything unclassified. The paranoid part of me wonders if these silly card tricks are disinformation, simply because they are so pervasive and similiar in their execution and results.
I have objective proof that has been verified by others of this phenomenon, which occurred during an experiment. While it was interesting, the prophecy I recieved from the entity was rather bizarre and pointless, but the vision it gave did come to pass, and at least proved the case to me. I do not have a need to ask for this information, as I would rather know what the 'future' holds because it is my Will, rather than a leaf blowing in the wind and asking which way the wind will blow, tell the wind which way it will blow. But, as I advance, I may try some additional experiments along these lines just for the sake of the Art. And not to diminish the use of Tarot and runes and geomancy, I still think they are valuable tools for several purposes. Ordinary playing cards, are good for playing.
"Just by the act of knowing the supposed "future" things can and will change."
Agreed. By doing this you change the equilibrium in the light and put a strain on it. Understanding the equilibrium and consequences is probably the key to avoiding unintended manifestations.
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I posted on another forum a vision of a major earthquake a few days ago. I dont make predictions often, but when I do I use the internet as a timestamp for objective verification. I'm sorry people died, maybe someone saw the message and took my post to heed and it helped them. I cite it here in thread context as an example of potential divination, verifiable by the timestamp in the post.
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93,
This site www.iris.edu/seismon/last30.html lists nine earthquakes of 4.4 Richter or above in the past 18 hours. This isn't untypical, as the rest of the list shows.
I'm not saying you didn't click with some sort of precursor energy related to the 7.0 Indonesian earthquake. But if I predicted an earthquake of 5.0 or over someplace in the world every day, I'd never be wrong. And a 5.0 is quite a mover and shaker.
(Edit:) I might add that in October 1992, I was doing magical work with a group of Egyptian deities. One day, things seemed to have seized up, as if some great mass of energy had locked up and had to be released. I told my girlfriend that we could expect an earthquake, most probably south of Cairo, in the immediate future. Then I decided making apocalyptic predictions like this was silly, and that I might be getting a bit too deep into it all. I even scratched out the note of the prediction in my diary after I started to write it.
The next day's Dahshur quake, about 15 miles (25 km) southwest of central Cairo, was under 6.0 on the scale. srl.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/extract/80/1/81. Still, it killed several hundred people.
My point is, even if I'd known enough Colloquial Arabic to fax or phone people in Egypt, who would have believed someone who said he'd had a psychically received message about it from the god Thoth? The world is full of nut-jobs, after all.
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EM