Some thoughts on Aiwass/Aiwaz
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So Rose Kelly conspired with an Armenian waiter to write and memorize the book of the law? Well, I'm impressed...
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Is this information, or ravings? I vote for the latter.
Edward the Armenian
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Well, the senior Chief of Aiwass Temple is a waiter.
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@Edward Mason said
"Is this information, or ravings? I vote for the latter."
Well, it IS a humor site.
(Wait for it!)
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"Well, it IS a humor site.
(Wait for it!)"
Small groaning and whimpering noises...
Wasn't Gurdjieff Armenian? The writer forgot to work him into his ravings.
EM
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"The aïwass is the general useful servant of the whole [Turkish] house; several are employed in large families: they carry the dinners, execute commissions, and do most of the hard work. Aïwass are frequently called upon to accompany parties of the women and children who are not entitled to expect the escort of a lalla. These aïwass are mostly Armenians, free servants receiving wages..."
Would it make any difference if Aiwass was a “useful” fiction of Crowley’s to advance a larger purpose? Crowley’s belief that Aiwass was his HGA and his relationship with this praeternatural intelligence does not really seem to conform with the initiatory map of the A.A. system. My questions:
- Crowley seemed to regard the one-off Cairo Working as his KCHGA rather than KCHGA signifying an ongoing relationship with his HGA.
- Given the intimate and personal nature of one’s HGA, Crowley’s belief that Aiwass was his HGA seems remarkably uncertain – almost a gradual realization after the fact rather than an immediate recognition. Crowley's words, "I now incline to believe that Aiwass..." is curious, no?
- Given the personal and confidential nature of each person’s HGA, it seems strange that Crowley would insert his own HGA’s name into rituals for others – unless he regarded this as a unique right reserved for the Prophet of the New Aeon and because he believed Aiwass to be the head of the A.A.
- If the adept is permanently reunited with his HGA at Binah, how is that reconciled with Crowley’s admission to Sri Dadaji much later in life that he had lost contact with Aiwass and did not know where he went?
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@he atlas itch said
"Would it make any difference if Aiwass was a “useful” fiction of Crowley’s to advance a larger purpose?"
Quite a lot, I think. The legitimacy of The Book substantially rests on its having been communicated by a transcendent consciousness infinitely beyond the human. (I may choose to accept it for much more personal reasons, but I submit those are actually insufficient.)
"Crowley’s belief that Aiwass was his HGA and his relationship with this praeternatural intelligence does not really seem to conform with the initiatory map of the A.A. system."
I'm not sure what you mean.
"1. Crowley seemed to regard the one-off Cairo Working as his KCHGA rather than KCHGA signifying an ongoing relationship with his HGA."
I don't think that's true. Aside from the fact that he had an on-going conscious relationship with Aiwass for decades, He quite emphatically was pursuing the K&C in 1906 in particular.
"2. Given the intimate and personal nature of one’s HGA, Crowley’s belief that Aiwass was his HGA seems remarkably uncertain – almost a gradual realization after the fact rather than an immediate recognition."
That's not unusual. Speaking in A.'.A.'. terms, the relationship with the Angel begins quite early, easily as soon as 1=10. Even though the K&C as such may be years (even decades) away, there can be a great deal of interaction at different levels. And at the same time one likely will be communicating with a number of other beings. It isn't all that unusual to suddenly discover that, shit, that one over there was the Angel and it took me this long to get that!
In the A.'.A.'. sense, Crowley in 1904 was probably a 3=8 or 4=7. His Dominus Liminis period is clearly identifiable in late 1905, and his actual 5=6 period through most of 1906. So he was still in the "Stuff just happening" phase.
"Crowley's words, "I now incline to believe that Aiwass..." is curious, no?"
No, really, no. (See above.)
"3. Given the personal and confidential nature of each person’s HGA, it seems strange that Crowley would insert his own HGA’s name into rituals for others – unless he regarded this as a unique right reserved for the Prophet of the New Aeon and because he believed Aiwass to be the head of the A.A."
Well, at least a Supernal being of enormous prestige and importance. I readily accept Aiwass as the direct channel of the Thelemic current to humanity.
"4. If the adept is permanently reunited with his HGA at Binah, how is that reconciled with Crowley’s admission to Sri Dadaji much later in life that he had lost contact with Aiwass and did not know where he went?"
I don't know of that incident. What ar5e you talking about?
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"4. If the adept is permanently reunited with his HGA at Binah, how is that reconciled with Crowley’s admission to Sri Dadaji much later in life that he had lost contact with Aiwass and did not know where he went?"I don't know of that incident. What are you talking about?"
Lawrence Miles, later known as Sri Dadaji, recounts the incident in the following link (approximately 8 paragraphs down):
www.mahendranath.org/londinium/londinium.html
I would be interested in an approximate dating of the above exchange between Sri Dadaji and Crowley. It seemed to happen after the Nina Hammet/Laughing Torso libel case and Crowley was staying at the Ship Hotel in London...
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@Jim Eshelman said
"In the A.'.A.'. sense, Crowley in 1904 was probably a 3=8 or 4=7. His Dominus Liminis period is clearly identifiable in late 1905, and his actual 5=6 period through most of 1906. So he was still in the "Stuff just happening" phase."
Is the date of Crowley's recognition of Aiwass as his HGA known? I ask because I recently read in chapter 65 of the Confessions that Crowley didn't "consciously" make the connection until about 1920(?)*.
"It is only as I write this that I realize that the poet in me perceived that Aiwaz and mine Angel were one. Till this moment I believed that I had reached this conclusion after many months of meditation in the last three years and accepted it provisionally with the greatest hesitation."
*The Confessions were being dictated in the 20's. So three years earlier would place it around 1917 to 1920. That seems like a long time between Crowley's K&C experience and his recognition of Aiwass as HGA. Did Crowley know his angel by a different name for all those years between then and 1906?
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@Her said
"Is the date of Crowley's recognition of Aiwass as his HGA known?"
I don't know it.
"I ask because I recently read in chapter 65 of the Confessions that Crowley didn't "consciously" make the connection until about 1920(?)*.
"It is only as I write this that I realize that the poet in me perceived that Aiwaz and mine Angel were one. Till this moment I believed that I had reached this conclusion after many months of meditation in the last three years and accepted it provisionally with the greatest hesitation."
"I think I read this passage a little differently than you do. I read it as him saying, (1) Up until this moment, I've tended to think that there was a point about 3 years ago that meditation disclosed this to me, but, (2) now I realize that "the poet in me" knew this [presumably unconsciously] long before.