What would be the proper thelemic response to this?
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@DarkStar said
"is MA a castle law state: ie: if someone breaks into your home you have the legal right to shoot them if they come in after being denied entry? I have a nickel plated fully legal .380 and a Glock 9"
Another thought i had was being all apologetic to them while i hand them some water filled with 100-200 hits if lsd (yes, i can spare it) and take them to the woods for the "Empty your pockets and give me everything" ritual
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@DarkStar said
"Someone loans me a large sum of money. While i am not home, my roommate steals half of it. I wake to three angry people ready to {shag} me up for their missing half sum. My {@$$hole} roommate took it-but these guys (heavy duty coke dealers) dont listen to reason. Rituals to do, or should i just physically kill/injure them, or the roommate as they are interfering with my Will, which is to experience everything and enoy this life."
Then you should experience getting the shit beat out of you and enjoy it.
The above is only half in jest. It's half serious. If it is truly your Will "to experience everything and enjoy this life," then your first duty to yourself is to experience and enjoy this series of events you set in motion as well.
Alternate approach (taking a more conventional interpretaton of "enjoy"): Evidently that's not your Will. It might be your want or your preference - but even at a superficial level, you're not living your life consistent with the idea of joyous experiences. You have selected a roommate who is a thief. You borrow large sums of money from violent "heavy duty coke dealers" who don't listen to reason. So either you're totally mistaken on the nature of your True Will, or you've been screwing up badly and need to learn from these circumstances and get your ass on track.
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Well, getting a loan shows that you can't deal with change i.e. the Shiva destruction part. Whatever you needed the money for learn to let go of it i.e. let it go away, be destroyed. All you need is your body and health.
Now a idea would be to sell your guns and give the money to these dudes. -
lol
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93, Wow. Did I really just read something so stupid? Never expected to see that on here. I fail to see how any of this has to do with experiencing the joys of life. Wow. I feel a few million brain cells short after this.
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Oh wow... this is just, oh, I don't know... INSANE. You made a bed and the proper Thelemic response is to lie in it. Thelema isn't necessarily about doing what you want or think you want. That is DESIRE, not Will. Thelema is about two thing... personal responsibility and minding one's own business.
Since you asked though, you've thrown out the latter and requested advice on the situation. Here is the lesson you need to learn... don't hang out with coke dealers and don't owe them money, even half. Second, take responsibility for your action. They have a RIGHT to want their money and you have the responsibility to give it to them. Your room mate stole their half? Bullshit. He stole your half, now give it up. You may have castle laws in your state but that only goes so far and doesn't always apply. You can STILL be charged with murder, especially if they discover this little thread here, in which case you will get pre-meditated and yes, they CAN trace you to this account very easily.
Minding your own business means more than just not butting into the workings of other people, it also means watching yourself to avoid these situations. You need to go into each situation knowing what the outcomes are and then dealing with the fallout in the best manner possible. You screwed up, your room mate screwed up as well. It is YOUR business to amend the situation and then deal with your room mate and no, not killing him.
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93,
I nearly joined in the dogpiling but that would be too easy. (But really, they are correct.)
I see it's actually too late to be useful. But for posterity I'll be as brief as I can with a suggestion.
Sit down and do some serious imaginative visual meditations. Best to get in a state altered enough to be more allowing and dreamy, but awake enough that you're not going to fall asleep or 'lose traction' mentally. Imagine a loving 'inner guide' to help. (I am hugely condensing this process...)
Come up with at least four different major issues in the situation, and ask your guide to give you a conscious "dream symbol" of that energy. Also do at least two where you let the guide make up 'whatever is best'. So you'll have six total. There is no time limit or restriction.
Ask the guide for the dream-symbol. Allow yourself to perceive it. You will promptly think, "I'm just imagining this." Imagination is the tool and media here so of course you are; but you are allowing your (subconscious, so to speak) to use that tool, this is the "interface", so you can interact with deeper parts of yourself. Don't create-on-purpose, dont withhold-creative-energy; it might take a little adjustment but learn to hold the middle ground and 'let it be'; hold loosely.
When you see the symbol of your first meditation, it might be anything. It won't look like a person (if that is what you're choosing; I suggest instead you choose things like "victimization" and "unfairness" and "threat to my safety" as concepts). It could be a creature, an object/machine/structure, anything. Your imagination is the limit (literally). Given your relationship with this at the moment it's going to have some problem. It might be hard to see initially ('tune' yourself to it. Literally imagine star-trek dials or something on your head). You might never see it real clearly (or it will be TOO clear) but go with it, you should 'sense' it at least somewhat.
It is likely to be injured or bizarre, or monstrous and hostile, whatever. Tell it hello, you honor it, thanks for its attention. Then pray, or imagine, whichever is strongest for you, that a 'rain of love' is falling on you both, and then a 'light of love' (did you see the 5th element? You know the end of that movie? Like that, but from above). Wind of love. Whatever you can come up with it. This should somewhat improve its situation.
Then do whatever is needed. Put it on a medical table, you're a magickal doctor, and heal it. Remove anything hurting it, rearrange its parts if needed, put your palms above it and breathe deeply and imagine sending loving energy into its problem areas. If the whole thing is a problem area (e.g. a giant fanged bug -- definitely a sign of a problem lol) then just imagine sending loving energy through your heart chakra into its very-core until it finally overflows and it will change.
When you've finally got it to a good state (whatever that takes), ask permission and see if you can 'merge' with it. If it works, you'll feel enough body-rush to let you know something's happening. If it doesn't work or it refuses, ask for something to put on or in your body and you provide something to them, to begin better integration. Officially ask the symbol and guide to work with you in this intensely in both sleep and wakening, and make it clear your first intent is to resolve your outer situation that is a threat.
Work on doing at least two a day. Really focus and put some altered state and 'emotional' effort into them. I've had my reality change radically and rapidly way too many times to doubt it. Your intent and allowance of it is really the only criteria.
It sounds simple; it is, though it takes learning to let it happen. If you're interested in astrology or tarot or more serious Jungian-style 'active imagination' work, get 'The Inner Guide Meditation' by Edwin Steinbrecher (foreword by Israel Regardie).
Best,
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93,
"Asking a forum how to handle your own personal little affairs is not the Thelemic "thing to do". "
Why not?
(Can I say "I'm playing devil's advocate" on a magick board without it having a completely different meaning, I wonder?...)
At one point in my life I realized that the primary source of manifestation came to me through other people. I'd been so often frustrated that it worked this way, I didn't want to feel obligated or whatever. But realizing that and allowing it changed a bit how I felt about people and relationships (and learning to 'accept').
Why not ask others for advice on a forum? Is it different than asking in someone's living room? Or is it just a moratorium about asking for advice, ideas or guidance?
I'm not attacking you here, they're serious questions, I'm just interested in the reasoning.
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