Sekhmet: The Eye of Ra-Hoor-Khuit
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@Arcturus888 said
"The ancient Egyptian goddess Sekhmet is known as the Eye of Ra. She is the power that protects the good and annihilates the wicked. Sekhmet is the wrathful form of Hathor (goddess of joy, music, dance, sexual love, pregnancy and birth). With leonine head, female human body and the strength of her father, she is the noontime sun --- intense blinding heat."
According to... whom? You? And so what if this was true? These are only modern speculations over ancient egyptian mythology... how does that relate to us in the least? Ra Hoor Khuit is not a historical deity in Thelema but God Himself...
"In Tibet she is known as Senge Dong-ma, lion-headed dakini, "Guardian of the Secret Tantric Teachings". She is called Simhavaktra, in India where she also has a male reflection in the lion-headed incarnation of Vishnu, Narasimha. Pure shakti, she is doubtless a close relative to lion-mounted Durga, "Keeper of the Flame". Indeed, another Egyptian title for Sekhmet is Nesert, the flame. In the ancient Near East she was called Anat, Ashtoreth and Astarte. "
According to... let me guess.... Kenneth Grant? These are very very spurious connections. How is there any resemblence except that both mention lions? This is sloppy thinking in my view.
I wont even bother with the rest..."I believe Ra sent forth His Eye, Sekhmet, in the Forties, and with His Uas scepter spread a scourge of terrible war and violence over the whole of Earth."
You are saying Ra caused World War 2? OK then, buddy...
"I also hold that the Nuclear Fortress which emerged (the Nuclear Arms Race) was the reign of Sekhmet over the whole of the Human Race, a sort of false Balance of Power, a perversion of the Aeon of Maat. "
Sounds like you are wildly speculative and that your speculations have zero import or value or worth or use.
Again, I wont bother with the rest as it is speculative drivel.
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
"Ra Hoor Khuit is not a historical deity in Thelema but God Himself... "
If this is true, then why does the Deity appear in artifacts such as the various Steles? I think any variations are just different spellings and trans-literations; you have the greek names, the anglicised french names, coptic, various scholarly schools etc.
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@Arcturus888 said
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To the Old Kingdom Egyptians, Nu was the divine father of the primordal waters from whence Ra, the sun, came forth. Ra gave birth to Shu, god of the wind, and Tefnut who was called "the spitter" because she sent the rain. Together Shu and Tefnut were the Twins of our heavenly constellations. Tefnut and Sekhmet both have human female form with a head of the lion and both are recorded as daughters of Ra by the Egyptians. Sekhmet is perhaps a later manifestation of Tefnut, but in any event they are one and the same.
I believe Ra sent forth His Eye, Sekhmet, in the Forties, and with His Uas scepter spread a scourge of terrible war and violence over the whole of Earth. I also hold that the Nuclear Fortress which emerged (the Nuclear Arms Race) was the reign of Sekhmet over the whole of the Human Race, a sort of false Balance of Power, a perversion of the Aeon of Maat. After the Law of Thelema was announced men continued to worship slave gods and false idols. This may have been interpereted by the God as rebellion against His Law. "There is division hither homeword: there is a word not known: all is not aught, beware! Hold! Raise the spell of Ra-Hoor-Khuit". The God of Thelema is violent, terrible and "bloodthirsty", He is our God, the Lord of the Kings of Earth (The Secret Masters), and He takes joy in violence and destruction. When His Eye begins to rage again, pray He sends a Prophet to intervene on our behalf. In fact He has, but the fool is lost to all considerations of His will. There are forces currently on Earth inimical to the welfare of Man. They are the Sons of Typhon, the Black Brothers, and are soon to rise. Take care of yourselves Thelemites. I will see you in the Promised Land.
888
"Nu is the Goddess, not the God.
There seems to be some confusion about the Anglicised French translations. (remember that many of the first Egytologists were French and that Crowley's trans-literation that he had at hand during the reception of Liber Legis was based on the French translation of the Eqyptian, not a translation directly to English.) So, in French, -out is pronounced u, silent t.
Study the various translations of of The Stele of Revealing listed in appendix A of The Holy Books of Thelema. It's pretty obvious that Crowley's translation is the most poetical, and also the one that is least literal. See below the Names of the Gods in their various spellings depending on the translator. It is a mistake to think of them as different Gods, as clearly they aren't since these are all translations from a single artifact. Crowley's translation is the most lyrical; it looks likes he used poetic lisence to ryhme the -it ending of each last syllable. See below, and compare the various translations. Also, it's very clear that the Gods of Thelema are historical.
The various translations of the Stele of Revealing spell the Gods like so: Hudt, Hudit, Houdit, Hadit, Behdet, Behedite
Nout, Nuit, Nut
Ra Hor Khut, Ra-Hoor-Khuit, Ra-Harakhti, Horakhty
Lastly, I want to address something disturbing that runs through so many threads. To make it simple, I will qoute Crowley, Liber Librae:
"In true religion there is no sect, therefore take heed that thou blaspheme not the name by which another knoweth his God; for if thou do this thing in Jupiter thou wilt blaspheme YHVH and in Osiris YHSVH."
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Disturbing? Who is disturbed? Crowley's tomes are buried to the hilt in apparent contradiction and paradox, comprehension requires a very strong sense of humor.
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@Middleman said
"Disturbing? Who is disturbed? Crowley's tomes are buried to the hilt in apparent contradiction and paradox, comprehension requires a very strong sense of humor."
True statement, but that doesn't apply to the above quote.
Christianity and Judaism is just the Egyptian religion wrapped in a different cloak. And Eqyptian and the rest of the worlds religions are just personifications of Quabalah. And Quabalah is just math. And math is just the language of the Universe itself and so on and so forth. (See J. Campbell and others).
That is the Macrocosm; the Microcosm is the same.
I agree with tearing down, replacing old forms, even changing names if necessary, provided it is done correctly. I am whole-heartedly for tearing down false notions and deliberate distortions of Deity, whether that is Christianity or whatever, but .... just re-read Crowley's statement again.
Finally, humor is the product of true comprehension, not the other way around.
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Right I said strong sense.
Isn't Qabbalah a personification of the Egyptian Ennead in a sense?
Isn't there more to it than math, like personifications of process?
There's no inherent quality to quantities, it's all relative to the base, right?Does the Egyto-mythos reflect functions of physics and forces of nature or some higher metaphysical reality?
I think nothing really equates anything, isn't this kind of 'maybe logic' the nature of θέλημα?
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@Middleman said
"Right I said sense of humor.
Isn't Qabbalah a personification of the Egyptian Ennead?
Isn't there more to it than math, like personifications of fields and forces?
There's no inherent quality to quantities, it's all relative to the base, right?Does the Egyto-mythos reflect functions of physics and forces of nature or some higher metaphysical reality?
I think nothing really equates anything, isn't this kind of 'maybe logic' the nature of θέλημα?"
You ask a lot of good questions in this and the other threads....
The Ennead(like all Mythology) is the personification of the Qaubalah, not the other way around. And the Quabalah itself is math, number, the purest type of symbol, but yet still just symbolic. But really pure symbol has its benefits but also its drawbacks. Because of its purity, etherity, there is no "meat" in it. We need more to fire our imaginations, emotions, thoughts and actions, thus ritual, Deities, incense, sound, color and so on. Why are their seven colours, seven tones, seven planets, 12 half-steps, 12 signs of the Zodiac? Why are there other magical mathematical interests such as the golden ratio? Why? As above so below; all these reflect that which is above on the way down, but equally veil those very same things when gazing upward.
Math does symbolise fields and forces. Isn't that what the Tarot is about? The Book of Thoth addresses these questions I think.
Relativity depends on point of view, if I'm not mistaken.
The question regarding mythos reflecting physics or higher reality assumes that there is an either/or proposition; this is false.
"maybe logic"? I don't think so. Understanding comes only to those who deserve it. And no matter where one is on the ladder, where one is now is where one is. Future growth depends on the strength to accept that humbly, and to choose to live life now as one wants to. So if you want to be a King, then live today as if you are one.
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@Middleman said
"Thanks, good answers, I've got to be careful how I word things.
Does the Egypto-mythos reflect not only functions of psyche and forces of nature but also some sort of metaphysical reality?
I guess 'metaphysical reality' could be functions of the psyche but is there more to it?"
These particular questions you pose seem relatively basic (and obvious) compared with what you have demonstrated you already know in other threads. In other words, you seem too advanced to ask this.... So I am looking deeper into your questions.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you are really asking if God(s) exists! Are they real?
I relate to what you said in the other thread about finding the G.'.D.'. material and how things fell into place, then finding Thelema and Crowley and recognising genius, but having a lot of questions. I too am skeptical, as Crowley advises, and I too wonder how I can accept something I don't fully understand etc.
Let me ask you some questions. If Deity exists only in our minds, and if we each of us continually creates the Universe, then do we create Deity and does that make them less real?
If an infant wants milk and we deny him that saying he should eat meat instead, do we treat our adult selves the same way and deny ourselves the psycological and emotional food we need if we are not able to digest the more pure food?
Doesn't Crowley write that there are four types of atheists, the stupid man on one end, and the High Adept on the other? "The philosophical adept, who, knowing God, says 'There is No God,' meaning, 'God isZero,' as qabalistically He is." -Liber 58.
Lastly, I will tell you how I personally work. I philosophically accept that God is Zero. I also need to believe in personal Deities. I do not think I am deceiving myself for this, because if God doesn't exist, and Deity doesn't exist, then I don't either. Whether all is real or unreal is just word play, and dependent on perception. And the only point of view that matters to me is my current point of view....
Also, I am glad to be alive and incarnated. I don't think duality is bad; it wouldn't exist if it wasn't necessary. Besides, I think there are a lot of beings who would love to be human. I was thinking the other day, how living in time-space is limiting, but the other side of the coin of limiting is "focusing". Because of time-space, we get to experience the nitty-gritty of life, both in truth and falsehood, good and bad, beauty and horror. Aren't we lucky?!?
So let's have a feast for life, and a greater one for death!
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@Middleman said
"Does the Egyto-mythos reflect functions of physics and forces of nature or some higher metaphysical reality?"
I regard the Egyptian gods as principles in which forces of nature and higher metaphysical realities are united. By studying their relationships with each other, you can recover a hidden grammar or deep structure wherein concepts like birth and death appear to be effects, the surface play of signification, of this grammar rather than fixed absolutes. Consequently perceptions of reality are prone to radically change when a god "speaks" or at the Equinox of the Gods.
I am not convinced the Enneads can be equated to the Tree of Life. I have considered in the past that the sycamore tree in which the scattered pieces of Osiris were gathered could be a candidate. But one way or the other, either the Egyptian gods or the Tree becomes significantly reduced in the attempt.
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Do what thou Wilt shall be the Whole of the Law
It was an Ordeal, passing on such as this unto the Citizenry, it was not an ordeal I could succeed or fail, but Horus dared Me, Am I to ignore a challenge from the Supreme and Terrible God? His Vengeance is My Reward. To truly Worship Him We must also place ourselves at His Mercy and Severity, Remember, the Way to Mastery is Breaking All the Rules, and then dying for it...
Love is the Law, Love Under Will
Prepare for the New Word...
Aleph
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Cute. Amusing comes to mind too.
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The ratios of the different pieces of the eye are interesting...
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@Student Aleph 9 2 said
"Do what thou Wilt shall be the Whole of the Law
It was an Ordeal, passing on such as this unto the Citizenry, it was not an ordeal I could succeed or fail, but Horus dared Me, Am I to ignore a challenge from the Supreme and Terrible God? His Vengeance is My Reward. To truly Worship Him We must also place ourselves at His Mercy and Severity, Remember, the Way to Mastery is Breaking All the Rules, and then dying for it...
Love is the Law, Love Under Will
Prepare for the New Word...
Aleph"
You might do well to recall that Thoth is accompanied at all times by an ape, whose business it is to produce base imitations of His wisdom.
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The correlations between Sokhmet and other goddesses point to the star Sirius, know by the greek as Sothis.
You can put side by side Sopdu, Sopdet and Sekhmet. Sopdet being the mother of Venus -> Netzach. It all makes sense. -
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Shiva Tseba'oth said:"The correlations between Sokhmet and other goddesses point to the star Sirius, know by the greek as Sothis.
You can put side by side Sopdu, Sopdet and Sekhmet. Sopdet being the mother of Venus -> Netzach. It all makes sense."The star Sirius is identified with Isis. The linguistic similarities you note here do not mean that Sopdet and Sekhmet are the same word, nor related words. They use different roots. The prefix 'Sop' means 'sharp,' and is a reference to Sopdet/Sirius being a brilliant point in the heavens. Sekh, or sekhem, means 'powerful, mighty,' and in both cases the 'et' ending simply indicates a female name.
Not that Isis is weak, but her functions in the Egyptian pantheon(s) are quite different to those of Sekhmet. Isis can be said to correspond to several points on the Tree : Netzach, yes, Binah too, and both Gimel and Daleth. Crowley also says some interesting things in the Book of Thoth about her connection to Yod, the path of the Hermit card, which is identified with the constellation Virgo.
Sekhmet would correspond to Geburah and also the path of Teth.
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Edward