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The Female Magician and the New Aeon

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    Froclown
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    It seems to me that almost every time crowley makes a misogynistic remark it is very tongue in cheek, he is expressing an idea of what women are supposed to be in the polite society he hates, and it is meant to enrage women who hear it expressed plainly without euphemism, not veiled in virtuous words, to take offense and prove him wrong.

    When expressed in virtuous words, women raised in that way of thinking actually measure their virtue against that stereotype, and snub other women who do not live up to it. Thus we see women who are successful sexually are torn down by their sisters called skanks and whores.

    Thus there is an unconscious identification with herself as being a nasty evil creature who must hide herself behind social ritual and pretty dresses, and submit to male control, least she is revealed as all the mean things crowley says about women.

    He says them as a goad to say, if you are not as men say you are, come out and show yourself as you are without shame, or if you are such an ugly creature stay hidden.

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    Well crowley also would have it if women are creatures of deception who only want to ensnare men with lies and tricks, whose only interest is pregnancy, then she should be that fully and without shame.

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    @Froclown said

    "It seems to me that almost every time crowley makes a misogynistic remark it is very tongue in cheek, he is expressing an idea of what women are supposed to be in the polite society he hates, and it is meant to enrage women who hear it expressed plainly without euphemism, not veiled in virtuous words, to take offense and prove him wrong."

    If anything, Crowley above all understood the primal joke: it is the purpose of man and woman to screw and be screwed, respectively. And, furthermore, 99% of mankind's internal problems are caused by malfunctions in what is hardly a complex relationship.

    It is this pitiful and amusing circumstance he set out to rectify by upturning every vestige of morality and decency in a society that didn't like him either.

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    Froclown
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    I think the best expression of the view of women in thelema as magicians is in the butterfly net. Cyril represents the traditional view of women, he sees things are they always were to him, where as Simon Iff has a more progressive or forward looking view of what women can potentially be.

    Which is why Simon Iff is willing to initiate women and Cyril believes it a waste of time.

    Both of these represent crowley's views. He expects the worst but hopes for the best.

    Either way he gives women every opportunity to express herself without shame or repression, for better or for worse.

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    Well moon child is a specific manifestation of in this case Ishtar, but for a really good treatment on the subject I recommend the film Devi in which a young Indian girl is made into the priestess of Kali. The pharaoh of egypt would be considered a sun child as an embodiment of Ra.

    Of course there are jewish versions such as the golem and hummonculous, some rather unsavory versions aimed at purposely producing a still born child which would serve as the vessel of clay into which a spiritual being would be evoked, this undead child being the vessel of an angel or elemental, and raised as such, treated not as human but as that spirit which it supposedly contained, of worse as an merely empty clay pot, beaten and taught to see itself as merely a gargoyle to do it's fathers will.

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    Depends on culture and what scars and branding the person who created this so called moon child wanted to pass off as proof of success.

    Since spirits don't really exist, moon children are just superstitious nonsense that are hoaxes to the benefit of the hoaxer.

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    I find it comforting that people do not know about and those who do do not believe in the moon child principle.

    Other wise we would have rosemary's baby cults all over, forcing pregnant women to drink alchemical potions full of things like wolfesbane and arsenic so they can kill her child, or nearly kill it just so they can perform sexual and physically abusive rituals on it, in hopes that the child will grow up to embody their idea of a god.

    Actually come to think of it we do this anyway with classical music in the womb, test tube embryos, baby Einstein, etc.

    But these methods are scientific and are not particularly tormenting to the child. Though some children raised to be athletes or ivy league, may fall onto that category.

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    @Alrah said

    "May I borrow your dildo tonight dear? You know... the one with the twirling and throbbing actions combined with arse attachment and the neat rainbow coloured voice activated sparkels? I suppose I could adapt the ring thingy..."

    A prime example of humor taken seriously. (And likewise, perhaps. 😀 )

    It is, primarily, the task of the adept to dissolve the boundary between sacred and profane. (Or, to use your terminology, unite the "Pyramid with the Circle,") or whatever. This sacred dissolution for the sake of union is embodied the ultimate sacrament, sex, the Hieros Gamos. And as thus is it of utmost importance to treat the subject with flippance and vain airs.

    😜

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    @Froclown said

    "I find it comforting that people do not know about and those who do do not believe in the moon child principle.

    Other wise we would have rosemary's baby cults all over, forcing pregnant women to drink alchemical potions full of things like wolfesbane and arsenic so they can kill her child, or nearly kill it just so they can perform sexual and physically abusive rituals on it, in hopes that the child will grow up to embody their idea of a god.

    Actually come to think of it we do this anyway with classical music in the womb, test tube embryos, baby Einstein, etc.

    But these methods are scientific and are not particularly tormenting to the child. Though some children raised to be athletes or ivy league, may fall onto that category."

    Rather I would say that most don't know how to identify the "Moon child," or what have you.

    Not all of us have such a keen sensitivity, Froclown.

    Any cosmic manifestation of pure principle can be identified, primarily, by those attributes which exist unadulturated in the subject's makeup. These attributes are primarily discovered through, of all things, a horoscope.

    Take a peek at the role of Astrology in the (former) lives of Tibetans. Indeed, high ranking monks would be chosen at birth due to salient aspects in their horoscope.

    In fact, the science of Astrology is the best possible tool for the successful upkeep of a caste society.

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    @Froclown said

    "Well crowley also would have it if women are creatures of deception who only want to ensnare men with lies and tricks"
    Ahhh 👐

    Women are the proof that zero is greater than one.

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    Beyond! Beyond!

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    "I" and "S" are the ones divided, by a line not space.

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    I found a book recently, haven't read it yet: "The Woman Magician: Revisioning Western Metaphysics from a Woman's Perspective and Experience" by Brandy Williams

    For generations, women have had to channel their strength and power into the role of muse, priestess, or earth mother—and always in the shadow of male magicians. This groundbreaking book shatters outdated notions of the Western magical tradition and presents a new paradigm that celebrates and empowers the woman magician.

    Drawing on thirty years of study and personal experience, Brandy Williams boldly revisions metaphysics from a female perspective. She introduces a new Magia Femina—a female-centered exploration of tradition, history, philosophy, science, culture, theology, and magic—and shares unique wisdom on how to live authentically as a woman and as a dedicated practitioner of her craft.

    Williams discusses women's roles in magic and philosophy throughout history as well as issues of gender, sexuality, feminism, cultural identity, God as divine feminine, the Qabbalah, and the evolution of such magical systems as the Golden Dawn and modern Witchcraft.

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