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21 June (Water) Liber LXV, 3:27

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Meditation of the Day Archive
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    27. If I say Come up upon the mountains! the celestial waters flow at my word. But thou art the Water beyond the waters.

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    27. If I say Come up upon the mountains! the celestial waters flow at my word. But thou art the Water beyond the waters.

    The Adept has the ability to control forms at will (at Will), but cannot command the Essence behind those forms. "Come" is specifically capitalized - I think I am quoting Robert Allen when I say "you cannot force the hand of the Beloved."

    93, 93/93.

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    @Ash said

    "The Adept has the ability to control forms at will (at Will), but cannot command the Essence behind those forms."

    Since the Source is unknowable and indescribable - how could it be controlled? Is the Angel, and our own HGAs, the Source of all images and forms as we know them? I don't imagine, nor have I read, the Adept ever trying to "control" the HGA. Rather, the HGA mystically guides the adept and runs the Adept through the ringer for whatever purpose is pressing. This leads me to believe the HGA is beyond Kether, however, I believe I'm thinking a bit too much into it.

    I will be satisifed to recognize that my daily life and the conditions of it present images that impress me consciously and subconsciously. I aspire to recognize first their effect on myself and in realizing this I may be able to expirment with the environment so that I can control it or at least understand it. I believe what I'm really trying to do is become awake and aware of the effect of everything, God speaking to my Soul in every situation, that I may recognize, adore, and tremble in the presence of "the Essence behind those forms."

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    27. If I say Come up upon the mountains! the celestial waters flow at my word. But thou art the Water beyond the waters.

    This is throwing me for a loop but I think I get it. There is no separation between the Adept and the Beloved, but there is a distinction between the quantitiy of power at the Adept's disposal in relation to the Beloved. And there seems to be an acknowledgement that any power at the disposal of the Adept comes directly from the Beloved in this line:

    "But thou art the Water beyond the waters"

    At the root, the essence is of the same quality since all things spring forth from the Water beyond the waters. Further more, we're in the water & we're of the water. Any movement of the litte water is an effect of the movement in the big Water.

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    27. If I say Come up upon the mountains! the celestial waters flow at my word. But thou art the Water beyond the waters.

    I know this is going to be a totally idiosyncratic and somewhat off the wall response, but I connect this passage with the practice of following a symbol or image up the chain of it's ancestry, so to speak—to the ruling archetype, and even beyond to the ultimate unity. The practice is very Jungian in so far as it echoes the notion that the old gods have returned as psychological disorders.

    By way of example, contrast the differences in how Freud and Jung both dealt with the imagery of incest in dreams—the ability to see past the particular instance of the image, as well as see how it follows the form and function of a cosmic 'original' is the Jungian approach and ultimately speaks to the myths of divine creation. Magick takes a similar stance, and can be seen in terms of how it understands the incestuous relationship between the various elements of the Tetragramaton.

    Similarly, coming on the heels of the last few days talking about how the dark principle is an encircling dragon about the heart, it's hard for me not to see the similarity of of this image with the one that followed it: the greater encircling ring of emerald about the whole universe.

    I'm not sure what to do with this yet, but it seems oddly significant and potentially useful as a kind of meditation where the small, discreet things of the world are used as pathways for the mind, ultimately ending in the contemplation of cosmic vistas.

    Water = Contemplation. These things that seem smaller than myself are also, should I manage to fathom the connections, incarnations of realities much greater and comprehensive that I can ever imagine.

    Love and Will

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