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  • J Jim Eshelman

    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

    The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

    Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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    Escarabajo
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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "If that changes, the safety (or, at least, its public availability) could be in peril."

    Beyond its historical importance to Thelema, is the idea (whether going by Liber AL or common belief) that the physical stele possesses some power? And, supposing it were destroyed, what then 😕

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    • J Jim Eshelman

      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

      The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

      Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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      Anonymous
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      It possesses no power beyond that attributed to it. Recent scientific evidence showed a 100x increase in testosterone after males handled a gun 🔫 men.webmd.com/news/20060728/guns-up-testosterone-male-aggression

      What do you think caused that rise? Obviously the meaning and ideas attributed to or projected onto the device -- Semiotics tells us this much. So then when we are referring to a more obscure item such as the Stele, there is nothing more magickal than the meaning attributed to it by a Thelemite -- which DOES make it magickal, but only to them. The essence of the Stele precedes it's existence.

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      • J Jim Eshelman

        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

        The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

        Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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        Anonymous
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        There are many people who disagree with the essentialist perspective (such as Sarte, who flipped it around), but I consider Martin Heidegger a goddamn genius and regard his phenomenology and essentialist perspective to trump any others I've read.

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        • J Jim Eshelman

          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

          The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

          Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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          Danica
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          @Dar said

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          There is never a 'trump' to play in Philosophy... it's a temporary game. 😉"

          😆 😆 yeah, that's what Heidegger said too (using his own concepts and terms, of course)...

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          • J Jim Eshelman

            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

            The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

            Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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            Avshalom Binyamin
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            Just saw that Egyptian Minister of Antiquities Zahi Hawass was fired. Don't know if it has an impact on the situation.

            www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijBtFZ08OmsLpDoUeg-YSLO-p1Sg?docId=036d849b7eed4fd4ab3516b948a1f7ad

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            • J Jim Eshelman

              Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

              The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

              Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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              Jim Eshelman
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              It's probably good news. If I understand local politics correctly, this removes the biggest risk that certain things will mysteriously come up missing and not be reported 😀

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              • J Jim Eshelman

                Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                Mephisto
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                Very interesting.

                If I remember correctly, the Cairo museum has had problems with security, so this is probably a good thing.

                Keep us updated.

                "In case someone is thinking of contacting officials in Egypt, I discourage it. The government has little or no idea of its importance to us. If that changes, the safety (or, at least, its public availability) could be in peril. I encourage very low profile attention."

                I couldn't agree more.

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                • J Jim Eshelman

                  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                  The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                  Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                  Cygnus
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                  Was there ever any news on where it went to?

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                  • J Jim Eshelman

                    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                    The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                    Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                    Jim Eshelman
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                    @Cygnus said

                    "Was there ever any news on where it went to?"

                    Not yet public information. It likely will be many months - or as much as a year and a half - before this becomes public.

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                    • J Jim Eshelman

                      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                      The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                      Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                      Zafero Berro
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                      I read once, at alt.magick probably, that some stelae and statues were taken occasionally to the rooves of museums to expose them to sunlight. Sounds possible.

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                      • J Jim Eshelman

                        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                        The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                        Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                        Edward Mason
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                        93,

                        Sunlight tends to bleach pigments, and UV rays also tend to break down carbon-bonds in organic materials. Any paint on ancient art, which would probably use vegetable dyes, would be damaged by sunlight. No responsible museum curator would take valuable ancient artworks onto a roof. Maybe the writer at alt.magick was nuts...?

                        93 93/93,

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                        • J Jim Eshelman

                          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                          The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                          Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                          Knowledge + Delight
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                          "

                          1. Get the stele of revealing itself; set it in thy secret temple -- and that temple is already aright disposed -- & it shall be your Kiblah for ever. It shall not fade, but miraculous colour shall come back to it day after day. Close it in locked glass for a proof to the world.

                          2. This shall be your only proof. I forbid argument. Conquer! That is enough. ...
                            "

                          Just curious; has there every been any 'before and after' comparisons of the colors of the stele?
                          Seems that if it's 'the only proof', someone would have examined this claim by now?

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                          • J Jim Eshelman

                            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                            The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                            Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                            Zafero Berro
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                            @Edward Mason said

                            "Maybe the writer at alt.magick was nuts...?"

                            Maybe the writer didn't realise that these 6000 year-old artefacts were so fragile that they couldn't stand an hour a year of sunshine.

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                            • J Jim Eshelman

                              Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                              The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                              Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                              Zafero Berro
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                              I managed to find it. It is at groups.google.com/group/alt.tarot/msg/ccdaced936fec029?hl=en and it reads as follows:

                              "According to one Edfu local, once a year the priests set the statue of
                              Horus in a solar boat and carried it to the roof of the temple to bathe it
                              in sunlight. Seems a similar motif to Waite's six of swords.
                              "

                              *Very *irresponsible. Those priests should be sacked!

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                              • J Jim Eshelman

                                Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                                The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                                Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                                ptoner
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                                Any further news on where the Stele was moved too or when it will be back on display.
                                Lucky enough that it escaped the civil uprising may I add.

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                                • J Jim Eshelman

                                  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

                                  The Stele of Revealing (along with many other items in the same display area) has been removed from its century-old housing in the Cairo Museum. We believe we know where it is going, and have every reason to believe it is safe. Partly to support its continued safety, i'm not disclosing any details about the relocation until I get permission.

                                  Temple of Thelema has an Egyptologist/archeologist on site in Egypt - the person who discovered the unannounced relocation. I'm going to rely on that person's judgment on what to report. They may want to make the full announcement themselves.

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                                  Jim Eshelman
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                                  The last news I had is that the new location will be completed in a couple of years. (It's under construction, and the intended items are in safe storage, as best we last knew.)

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