Spiritual Puberty
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@he atlas itch said
"I read through it and it definitely addresses the themes I mentioned, although the purpose of quickly counting the thrown objects is unclear."
It's a training in expanding the reach of the mind. That's a preliminary training that, among other things, keeps the later practice from being just a fuzzy Star Trek day dream.
"The title is curious - Batrachos = frog, phrenobos = fear of mind?, cosmomachia = cosmo work/struggle?"
That's pretty good! I'd translate it, "The Book of the Battle of the Frog, the Mind, the Roar, and the Universe."
"I'm wondering if Crowley wrote this liber in New York around the time he sacrificed the frog, to banish the Old Aeon, and subsequently had the Star-Sponge Vision?"
No, that was years later. This was originally published in Equinox 10 in 1913.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Liber Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia"
"Let the Practicus ... travel, if need be, to a land where the sun and stars are visible... ."
sigh How sad, in this age of the unveiling of the company of heaven, that the stars have been rendered nearly all invisible by artificial lighting. I wonder how many people alive today have grown up without ever knowing how we are wrapped in a milky blanket of stars.
I'm told that in the Gobi desert you can still see the night sky.
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Out in the desert near Palm Springs it's pretty amazing, too. (Just a few miles out of town.)
One of the most awesome spectacles I've ever seen was the morning of the Northridge earthquake. All power in LA went dead, and the sky was crystal clear. (It was mid-January, so the sky had been washed. Dense fog from a few hours earlier was completely gone.) The entire LA basin was exposed to an unfiltered look at the sky. (The quake occurred at 4:31 AM. Sunrise was 7:04 AM that morning.)
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@Dar said
"I've never heard of this phobia or fear before. How interesting! I suppose there are lots of things where a highly emotive reaction can go either way though. It must be like theme park rides!"I don't know who said it, but I relate to it - "Some of my 'best' trips have been 'bad' trips"."
I'll go on with some personal stuff, fictitious or not. First before I read this whole thread through, I'll have to answer this. So true. Once I tried to just get a little bit of pot to help myself get away from it. But it was veeery strong, veery strong, raw, just grown. I tried to manage it, gagged, which made it much worse. I wen't to the bath-room, and... I can't speak too much of those things, because by that I come to the other point that I found interesting, which was about that cosmophobia. Just thinking about those things is quite too much. Well basically time went wacko in a new way, I became 2-D, such so on, I became very panicky, but in a while I got very ecstatic. Then I started making some questions, and got some answers that have brought me basically to where I'm now. I hadn't done any real yoga with drugs, so I tried it, I became completely ecstatic, there was basically infinite light above me, and I'll erase a bit of my rambling about this experience. After that, I meditated in a way that was normal back then, and found that oh, this is it, it's nothing unusual for me, but in normal meditation the intensity of ecstacy, the groundedness of ecstacy is nothing in comparison to that experience, although in retrospect I think that I can go and surely in a few cases have gone beyond this in my meditations. Nor did I get this kind of information, that I got out of the experience, from normal meditation. (That much for spectacles.) I'll answer to some other points after reading the whole thread through.
Edit. lessened ramblings. Okay, not much else was put in later posts. I got interested out of RAllen's thought that he needed that experience to get grounded. Now, for half a year, and from the intense stuff for over a year, I haven't let myself be in the greatest stages of consciousness that I can access, I guess I may have accessed them too soon, I guess a 3=8 type thing happened at 17 and what, 4=7 or 5=6, maybe less, maybe more, happened right before turning twentyone, which for my back-then understanding was the real age of adulthood. I had been abstaining myself off it. I've been able to be and am able to be for months in those states, practical life has always rightfully or wrongfully demanded me out of it after that, though otherwise I can remain there. Although right now I'm pretty normal, it seems as though I was looking at this normal state from the highest place I've been. That's actually weird, I've even tried to change that. Basically the greatest thing I can access seems atleast subjectively to be complete control over thoughts, where there exists nothing but bliss, the world and this life I live is an illusion.
But with that cosmic stuff, I've been recently having the same problem, one time I felt like in normal consciousness becoming one with all, that was like knives going around my body, and as clever as I am, a little after that I tried to awaken clairvoyance, got a bit too intense thing out of it, and have been after that afraid of losing my normal consciousness and entering the spiritual world.
Question: What is the normal stage of development of mankind right now? What are we speaking about in terms of time for the normal man to attain to the K&C? Dozens of thousands of years, within a thousand years, or alot more? What about Magister Templi? Millions of years, hundreds of thousands of years, a few thousand years, billions of years?
Onto topic:
I became interested in the occult at 13, maybe that's a magical age? Serious study started at 17, I got results, but, or and, my physical life was very rough. I guess that first breakthrough got me loopy. Oh I wish I could get that freshness back... After that, I've been struggling with life, I guess I have attained to something, maybe not much more than usual, or then maybe alot more than usual. Of that I have no clue, I only know I don't know any as attained guy, but that's saying nothing because I only know a few dozen occultists. For a few months I've been trying to get over a bad experience, so for that time I haven't been doing much.
Uh, I'm a very shy person, this is my biggest post.
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@Dar said
"If you see anything in the initial expansion... - you might of heard of those people who see themselves in fantastic visions saying "I AM" and (****)... then you've failed because you've carted something from your mundane consciousness into the other - which means your expansion is thrown off balance by your ego...
By looking for anything - you fail to see what is really there."
Yes, but I wasn't expecting anything, in fact I wasn't expecting of getting anywhere. Then I asked a question that had been bothering myself for a long time, and got the answer that I'd been rejecting in my normal consciousness. I don't like any hippie "I am in my ass" stuff, and in my meditation I try to keep everything calm. But I'll have to admit that this time my whole head became a smile.
"Btw - whether you used drugs to aid you getting there is absolutely irrelevant to the transformational power of the experience."
Yep, I know. It was basically like playing with a toy. Also, what I think as something great, maybe K&C, I can go there whenever I want, like right now at the blink of an eye, but it's too overwhelming, I guess my life situation doesn't afford it, because the way I think becomes so different. It seems like everything I wish in my normal consciousness is completely absurd.
Getting to the highest peak needs around a week of work, but I know I can get there. I think I can get there in a couple of days, but doing it more peacefully is a more sure way. What this highest peak is, I do not know. I guess last time I was there was a year ago.
There should be a manual where it is said when you're ready for whatever. I don't like the ego trap, but nor do I like the trap of depression, which doesn't vanish in higher states, only becomes different, sometimes alot more weird. And the funniest part is that I don't know if it is better to be mundane or meditative, because in each way I feel like there's no way out of my situation, although it's different, like looking into two different situations, both as hopeless. I guess it's about that neptunian thing of getting into situations (confinement-like....), from where it's hard to get out. I guess that's what's the most pronounced thing in me right now.
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@Dar said
"Ooooh yeah. I can really relate to that big stylie. Accepting love, corrects the balance and shoots you out the hatch from the weird room, but it's hard to accept! All my early childhood rearing makes me suspicious, and backwards about coming fowards to believe I am loved. I am loved my by angel, but I am human and need human love and intimacy as well to feel like a whole human being. Right now - I get little of that - although coming back from my grandparents today it feels like they've balanced me up a little and given their starving granddaughter soul food. I was supposed to be looking after them but it went two ways.
"Accepting love. There have come very great people to my life, but I have rejected them all. It's also very hard because I can't really get anywhere where I meet people. I'm so shy.
" I am loved my by angel, but I am human and need human love and intimacy as well to feel like a whole human being."
Very true. Even the highest ecstacy seems weird, if I can't get the normal stuff. It's like, I can control the weather, but all I'm doing is surfing the internet, whereas a potatohead is there doing some construction work. So who is the loser?
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Well, actually, I have this kind of hypnotic personality, but I'm so shy that I don't go anywhere. I don't even like to be with friends, although they like me. My base is in a place where everyone was supposed to like me, but something else happened. I was as a child very outgoing, though shy or sensitive too, but from bullying I became very depressed and the latent shyness became very pronounced. I can't even work. I really think that I would need a manual for my life. I don't mind depression, but it's hard that I can't do anything. Nobody cares either way about K&C of the HGA or samadhi - they care and see your state of being and wisdom through whether you are working.
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@Dar said
"I wrote this a couple of weeks ago.... I just figure you might like it right now...
Supra Rational Processes of the Unconscious.
16 St. Johns Street.
Picture a guy, just 18 and arriving at Trinity Collage, Cambridge University. He appears to be a charming fellow, perhaps a little naïve but liable to take one off guard with this curious attitude he has that makes you feels as if you never quite get the measure of the chap. You don’t often see people like that, and they’re fascinating to think about. They get a lot of attention that they don’t appear to invite, and even to resent - those chaps. You know what sort of chap I’m talking about… the ‘interesting’ ones. Like Aleister Crowley.
Like Vlad.
"You make me blush (not really, but that's because I don't blush). Vanishes out of sight
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"There should be a manual where it is said when you're ready for whatever. I don't like the ego trap, but nor do I like the trap of depression, which doesn't vanish in higher states, only becomes different, sometimes alot more weird. And the funniest part is that I don't know if it is better to be mundane or meditative"
So true. There definitely needs to be a manual.
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@gmugmble said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Liber Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia""Let the Practicus ... travel, if need be, to a land where the sun and stars are visible... ."
sigh How sad, in this age of the unveiling of the company of heaven, that the stars have been rendered nearly all invisible by artificial lighting. I wonder how many people alive today have grown up without ever knowing how we are wrapped in a milky blanket of stars.
I'm told that in the Gobi desert you can still see the night sky."
Now sailing off the coast of Portugal for a month, can see the Milky Way at night... its awe inspiring.