Mongol and Din
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?Thanks for posting that, Takamba.
Crowley's explanation was sort of what I'm critiquing - from my personal understanding, the terms Mongol and Din do not seem to refer to Confucianism and Judaism. Mongols were hostile to things Chinese, and I've only really heard Din used in an Islamic naming context (muhajidin, Saladin, Nasruddin..). In Judaism, I've only heard Beit Din. Of course, we should all have our own views on Liber AL, based on our own awareness.
Binyamin, if we go with my idea, definitely India and Buddhist nations were affected by much warfare and colonialism in the early 20th century as well. But you are quite right that it is about getting rid of old things. (Also, I guess, harmonizing them because there are 6 of them, after all.) I like to pick things apart, though, since it is fun.
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?@Lykathea said
"In Judaism, I've only heard Beit Din. "
It's also an alternate name for the Sephirah, Gevurah.
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?@Avshalom Binyamin said
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@Lykathea said
"In Judaism, I've only heard Beit Din. "It's also an alternate name for the Sephirah, Gevurah.
"The two are the same: Din (Diyn) means "justice," and is the highest of the three names of Geburah. The Beyt Diyn is, literally, "house of justice."
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?Right, thanks.
He obviously knew the Islamic use of the word Din, but went with Judaism for this one, since Mohammed had already been mentioned in a prior verse.
It seems to me that he's implying that Din--judgment--could refer to the legalistic approach of rabbinical Judaism.
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like? -
IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?@Lykathea said
"Of course, we all use various interpretations - but since Indian and Mongol are not religions, I often had my doubts about the Din = Judaism concept. After all, it was Aiwass who wrote Liber AL
"Nothing major but it was Nuit, Hadit, and Ra-Hoor-Khuit who "wrote" the book, it was Aiwass who spoke it in English for Crowley's ears.
As to the idea of having infinite interpretations; I don't buy that. "If a word can meaning anything you want, it means nothing at all." - my 9th grade English teacher. There's a difference between the word "meaning" and the word "meaning." Choose ye well.
Meaning = definition?
Meaning = value?Let the book mean to you what it needs to mean to you. As I have learned reading Crowley, don't let yourself get stuck on a meaning as the meanings will change in time.
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?"As to the idea of having infinite interpretations; I don't buy that. "If a word can meaning anything you want, it means nothing at all." - my 9th grade English teacher. There's a difference between the word "meaning" and the word "meaning." Choose ye well.
Meaning = definition?
Meaning = value?Let the book mean to you what it needs to mean to you. As I have learned reading Crowley, don't let yourself get stuck on a meaning as the meanings will change in time."
Not to get OT,
Thank you for sharing that.
My nine year old daughter has been asking a lot of big questions this week, and hit me up with the classic** What is the meaning of life **.I struggled to find the words to share with her that what my life means to me, is going to be different then what her life means to her, but that over all life itself has it's own value.
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?@Veronica said
"My nine year old daughter has been asking a lot of big questions this week, and hit me up with the classic** What is the meaning of life **."
It's a Monty Python film, right?
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IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?@Jim Eshelman said
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@Veronica said
"My nine year old daughter has been asking a lot of big questions this week, and hit me up with the classic** What is the meaning of life **."It's a Monty Python film, right?"
Too funny,
Giggling MAO because that is exactly the movie I played that night for Telly time!
I taught my parrot the chorus for Brightside of Life.
I love those guys... -
IMO, were governments.
Two of the biggest governments on the earth in 1904, both to fall in a couple of years, were Manchu (upper classes intermarried with Mongols, though culturally distinct) - dominated China, which ruled East and Central Asia, and the Ottoman Empire that ruled West Asia, North Africa and Southeast Europe. Neither of them were that 'evil in the scheme of things (well, neither is the litany of faiths...), but they were going to fall respectively in 1911 and 1922. 11 years apart. Crazy. Din is an interesting term, and I equated it to the Ottoman Empire. Din is a word in Arabic similar to the concept of Tao. The top leadership / Din of the Islamic kind was the Ottoman empire. The Ottomans followed Din quite a bit, but Din was not enough to keep them in power. Eventually, Crowley's homeland stepped into the lives of both the 'Mongol' and 'Din' nations. Old Ra-Hoor-Khuit only said what he could see in the future, and the ultimate seed of change within these explosive geopolitical conflicts. What do you folks think, and what do you think this says about the "Mongol and Din" empires of today - our modern-day superpowers / NATO and the like?