Ethics on helping people getting closer to their will
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I think the best you can do is - slowly, gradually - teach people that they can themselves come in touch with the Power/Powers of the Universe if they Will so
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meaning - you just show them the door (so that they can perceive/acknowledge/recognize that there is a door), not push them through it -
There are some psychological practices that are almost undistinguishable from magick. Active imagination, pathworking, Guided Affective Imagery, just to name a few.
In my perspective Jung is the best “middle ground” between magick and psychology, Assagiolis psychosynthesis seems like the best approach to help people attain a better understanding of their True Will (of course you do not need to call it True Will).
As for specifically magical operations, I believe that they are better done inside a temple by someone with a good experience under his belt. Things can get nasty not only to the patient but to the doctor as well. People’s health is not something you want to experiment with.
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Thanks guys...
It makes sense. I should be careful and avoid getting overwelmed by my own stuff.
Actually i think Freud, Jung, Reich, Lacan, and Ferenczi all bring something special and useful. I feel their respective approaches also corresponds to the 5 elements on a psychological plane. I'd like to articulate techniques from all those 5 into a coherent system.
Basically i feel Lacan is way ahead of everyone philosophically. The guy is a beast. I wouldnt be surprised to learn he studied Crowley... He brings a great overall picture witch matches well with the esoteric one, and with thelemic ethics. Jung also does that, but with a more simple, practical and active way.
What strikes me with Ferenczi is the "mutual analysis". The only danger there, and it's a great one, is being too active, and suggesting stuff instead of helping people to do their own work...
By the idea of using magick, i was thinking in a Ferenczi way actually. I mean, as a way also to screen the psyche by studying the reactions to these forces which i know well. Having the kabbalistic correspondences and knowing how the forces react with me according to how i use them, it could have be a good way to feel whats going on. But it's certainly dangerous and brings us out of the frame of psychoanalysis.
Maybe should i just replace this 3 way magick idea with simple meditation on active, neutral, and passive ether. That way it would stay neutral ethically and it would complement well the basic breathing and elements meditations. Also it would still have the yin, yang, and neutral working, which i thought was the most useful aspect of it in that frame.
I'll look at what is psychosynthesis. Thanks
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@danica said
"I think the best you can do is - slowly, gradually - teach people that they can themselves come in touch with the Power/Powers of the Universe** if they Will so**
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meaning - you just show them the door (so that they can perceive/acknowledge/recognize that there is a door), not push them through it"yes, that's it...
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
At first, this seemed kinda hokey. But in the end, I thought it commendable that you've named and in a tangible way for yourself accessed yin/yang/neutral energies or intelligences. One might say this strikes at the heart of something all psychoanalysts and healers, and perhaps all of us in general, seek in their individual ways to attain.
I think you can fairly draw sigals and speak words of power to your heart's content, and it would be best for all involved if it's a loving heart you are contenting. Still, I'm not sure this kind of magick would be superior in any way to the other techniques mentioned here, or that it would be any better than traditional talk therapy. Frankly, I doubt it would be.
But so what. If this stuff amps up your effectiveness, then I say go for it. If working with subtle beings makes you better at your job, then why not use them? I think we have the right to be as powerful as we know how to be, and bear no obligation to anyone to hold ourselves back.
Plus it sounds kind of fun.
I place this one squarely in the "Do what thou wilt," camp. If your patients don't like your methods or their effects, they can leave.
Every man and every woman is a star.
Love is the law, love under will.
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The most important thing to keep in mind, as I see it :
Their Will is THEIR WILL - a thing unknowable directly by youGenerally speaking:
I do not perform 'magick' on people who are unaware
I all ways allow them to make the decision, even if it is bad -
As that is merely my projection, may be great for them -
Or better yet what is absolutely necessary for their growth -
@Horus Amin said
"Basically i feel Lacan is way ahead of everyone philosophically. The guy is a beast. I wouldnt be surprised to learn he studied Crowley... He brings a great overall picture witch matches well with the esoteric one, and with thelemic ethics."
Are you thinking of Seminar VII and that the "Do not give way on your desire" idea is related to the Will?They also have confusing people with non-standard use of the term "phallus" in common...
