Eras in the Aeon of Horus
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@kasper81 said
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@Takamba said
"Indigo children labeling is as old as the 1970s. I think you should get your judgmental-ism in order. I mean if you're going to be bigoted, at least be correct about it."93
Could you answer the valid question instead of schoolboyish, provocation antics? "Indigo children". In harmony with Thelema?
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The word of Sin is Restriction.
The only thing not in harmony with Thelema is telling someone what to do, believe, think, choose, imagine, etc etc
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@kasper81 said
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Newage? Be my guest."Bigotry: bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
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@kasper81 said
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@Takamba said
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@kasper81 said
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Newage? Be my guest."Bigotry: bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself."
This issue appears to be close to your heart. I apogise for not realizing that. Maybe there is a new psychic, creative, self-determined race emerging. I myself was vviewed as a gifted child and maybe an Indigo child to an extent. Thankyou for pointing that out to me in a roundabout way.
I just did a wiki search on the subject and I recall that Rollins was forced to take Ritalin as a child."
Funny you mention Rollins, assuming you mean Henry Rollins, as he's personally someone I would never want to be like (having personally known him in the 80s as I toted Mike Roche's gear around in TSOL). No, the blue baby syndrome is not something I personally agree with. Having grown up near a lot of so-called Indigos, which you may have been one for all I know, all I witnessed were a number of unsupervised hedonists with no wisdom in 'em. But don't tell their parents that!
I think Dr. Timothy Leary coined the Indigo Baby thing (but I'm not 100 percent certain). I know his work was the earliest mention of it that I've seen. My issue with you is your discredit of all things "New Age" as if just because some salesman takes a label to a thing it disqualifies it from your Crowlianity.
Automatic writing, I Ching, Channeling, tarot, crystal skrying, herbalism, countless yogas,
These things you call newage? (rhymes with sewage when you say it, right?)Those things Crowley practiced.
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"Automatic writing, I Ching, Channeling, tarot, crystal skrying, herbalism, countless yogas,
These things you call newage? (rhymes with sewage when you say it, right?)Those things Crowley practiced."
I think the difference is that Crowley practiced these things objectively, kept a detailed record and refrained from drawing conclusions about processes which he could not measure. New-agers seem to think they know everything and the universe is full of light and love, and horses turn to unicorns in the seventh dimension, and angels are not warriors of god but loving beings with fluffy white wings who embrace you and mend your aura with their hugs.
They draw conclusions without evidence and experience. They also tend to want you to believe them and state things as fact, whereas Crowley would say "This is what I found. Go off and do it yourself and see what you find". New-agers also seem to think their psychic visions can be universally applied as truth, when in fact they are not.
I have met a few, and I can't talk about spirituality with them. They are entitled to believe what they want, but they seem to forget that their belief does not make it true.
I wouldn't call a practice new age, only the perspective and viewpoint somebody takes would be considered new age. Personally I think we live in a balanced universe, there is just as much room for hate as there is for love.
As for indigo children, I honestly don't see the point of a label. Some people are just better at certain things than others, if we are to believe in psychic phenonema some people are going to better than others. If we are to believe in reincarnation, like Crowley, someone who has incarnated countless times and has learned spirituality before is probably going to come back a little better than everyone else. There is going to be more and more of this each decade or so because the world gets older.
I would be interested to hear what the significance of these eras are, like what we are to expect for the next 22 years, or what would be a reasonable guess to expect. Am I right in thinking that The era of the hierophant is governed by the Hierophant tarot card meanings as a whole? And that this year represents a microcosmic year of the fool?
Also who came up with this era system originally?
93, 93/93.
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@mark0987 said
"Also who came up with this era system originally?"
I suppose, in one sense, that I did - that is, I'm not aware of anyone writing about them in the same sense - although there are many people who have been quite aware of the calendar themes and, in my experience, discussing them for at least 25-30 years.
"I would be interested to hear what the significance of these eras are, like what we are to expect for the next 22 years, or what would be a reasonable guess to expect. Am I right in thinking that The era of the hierophant is governed by the Hierophant tarot card meanings as a whole? And that this year represents a microcosmic year of the fool?"
This is what I've been discussing in multiple places on this forum, in the third chapter of my last book, and in numerous other online remarks. Since I have to be out the door in a couple of minutes, I'll let you look for those remarks etc. first (and may be able to get back to repeating some of them later today - right now, I have to go bring up a data center and five floors of network connection after a planned building power-down last night).
Yes, your last two sentences are exactly on target. This is The Fool/Alef theme within the larger 22-year theme of The Hierophant/Vav.
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@mark0987 said
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"Automatic writing, I Ching, Channeling, tarot, crystal skrying, herbalism, countless yogas,
These things you call newage? (rhymes with sewage when you say it, right?)Those things Crowley practiced."
I think the difference is that Crowley practiced these things objectively, kept a detailed record and refrained from drawing conclusions about processes which he could not measure. New-agers seem to think they know everything and the universe is full of light and love, and horses turn to unicorns in the seventh dimension, and angels are not warriors of god but loving beings with fluffy white wings who embrace you and mend your aura with their hugs.
"This is why I've pointed out the bigotry and gross over-generalization of the label "new-ager." It is not my experience that every "new-ager" is as you describe, just like not all Mexicans are gardeners and all black people thieves and all southerners racist.
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What I stated above was my own personal definition of a new-ager, anyone who does not fit that definition I would not label as a new-ager. There are people like that and they are the group I call new-agers, the ones who accept things as truth and don't like their viewpoints challenged.
It's totally different than saying all black people being thieves etc., There is a strict defintion of what a black person is- somone with black skin, there is a strict definition of what a southerner is- someone from the south of America (I presume you are talking about). The definition of a new-ager is more fluid and since it has a negative association I would only label it to people who fit the description I gave above. You kind of pointed this out when you listed the practices Crowley did, he is not considered a new-ager even though he is doing things often considered new-age.
I know plenty of people who claim crystals have healing powers and herbs; people who believe they work with the fae by practicing their brand of magick outside. I don't call them new-agers because they are totally different than my description above and can accept other viewpoints and out rightly state that they are beliefs and not facts.
I caused the confusion, I apologise.
People call other people new-agers and I wouldn't personally label them as such, yet they are called it. I don't believe there is a strict defintion of new-ager. What is your definition of a new-ager?
@Jim
Thank you for pointing out where you have written about it. It has been a while since I first read the beginning chapters of your book, it slipped my mind that you had written it there. Luckily I picked the book up yesterday from my other home so I shall check the chapter out again.
93, 93/93.
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Labels like this are pejorative by nature. We all use them one time or another, and I do think they're causing some turbulence here.
Personally, I think the New Age movement of the '80s and '90s ass of enormous importance in the awakening of mass-mind consciousness about several things about which general culture had been in denial, to the great benefit of consciousness awakening in general.
OTOH the very nature of mass-mind penetration is that it will be commercialized (that's the only way to lowing-term anchor it in poplar culture), and one is going to get a "pop occultism" result. Goes with the turf. There are silly people in this as in everything. I've always found unicorns interesting since first reading classic mythology and legends at age 9, and who doesn't like butterflies and rainbows? Still, even I found myself a little aggravated by the flood of these things.
But the general public is much more cognizant of these things now than they ever were before in modern times, and I mark that as a big Win for "our side." We cannot expect everyone involved to these subjects to have a scholar's perspective, any more than we can expect everyone to appreciate Mozart and Tallies more than Justin Bieber.
But more music is getting produced and listened to because so many people want to listen to Justin Bieber.
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The phrase "new age" has been used throughout history, and not always for the same ideas. General George Washington wrote that the birth of the United States of America was ushering in a new age for the political man. FDR called his new deal and general administrative agenda a new age in government's relationship with the people. Madam Blavatsky, as far as I can tell, was the first to declare the New Age as we understand it now (I may be mistaken, Paschal Beverly Randolph also wrote that it was the New Age and I can't be sure who was first). Crowley deemed it the New Aeon (an aeon is an age). In book stores there are shelves labelled "New Age" and you will find the likes of Crowley, Duquette, alongside Jane Roberts, Linda Goodman, and Starhawk, and many others. Some are fluff, some are quite serious in their studies.
Anyone who wants to believe they are participating in the new age is a "new-ager" as far as I am concerned. Everybody from Annie Lennox to Maynard James Keenan (A Perfect Circle, Tool, Puscifier, and other bands) to Imagine Dragons are allowed to believe both that there is a new age for them to experience and that they are living in accordance with Thelemic or Satanic or Luciferian ideas (as they see fit, I suppose). In some circles, we call it Nu Age.
By categorizing anyone with a label that can be self-identified with if so chosen (one can identify as Italian or not, for instance, by choice and if you want to categorize all Italians you run the risk of disenfranchising people), you categorize yourself as well. If you do want to be judgmental about people, I merely recommend you be more specific about what you condemn. In my house we condemn behaviors, not people.
You know, just sayin'.
Now, hopefully we are done being off topic.
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Then on the Nu Age, I believe we can achieve an agreeable consensus.
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This was beautiful, Jim. I suspect you are correct.
The Internet is the Law in action, for now. Most barriers to knowledge at the moment are unrestricted to those in the West. We can speak unrestricted, soon, perhaps we will be able to transfer wealth, unrestricted, without interference, id est bitcoin.
Information permeates the young and the old, now. If there ever would be the time of the Hierophant, this would be it.
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@kasper81 said
"each aeon is segmented into, "Eras"?"
I don't know. I wasn't tracking it in prior aeons.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Takamba said
"Funny you mention Rollins, assuming you mean Henry Rollins, as he's personally someone I would never want to be like (having personally known him in the 80s as I toted Mike Roche's gear around in TSOL). "
Wow, haha. I would've never pegged you for someone with a hardcore/punk background. That kind of music (at least the stuff from the 70s and 80s) is pretty near and dear to me. Not to derail the thread, but if you have any stories you'd like to share (maybe PM would be more appropriate?), I'd like to read them.
So if an Era is a 22 year cycle, what do we call the 484 years that make up a series of 22 eras? I wonder if there's any overlap between Eras and Aeons. This is certainly a very interesting subject. I've been meaning to dig deeper and learn more about history in general, so this is a nice backdrop to have to put those pursuits in a Thelemic context!
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@Zalthos said
"So if an Era is a 22 year cycle, what do we call the 484 years that make up a series of 22 eras?"
Ask me in 2387
(We'll have a different point of view for many reasons, one of which is that the Age of Aquarius will hav begun 11 years earlier.)Wild Friggin' Schematic Artificial Guess: There will then be a base number (the first 484 being 0), with the two current numbers in two layers of superscript to it.
"I wonder if there's any overlap between Eras and Aeons."
By definitions, eras are subsets of aeons. That's the whole point.
"This is certainly a very interesting subject."
Thank you
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Eras, astrological shifts...
It makes sense to me, as the old form dies, to prepare, in the nature of Prophets, for the coming astrological change.
The religion is still Pisces/Virgo, but as the old form dies in this Era of Human Development of Consciousness, the main, fixed, universal metaphor available for transformation is the change we can foresee from Pisces/Virgo to Aquarius/Leo.
Thus, the Intelligence of Aquarius combined in shadow-strength with the Fixed Will of Leo, seems to me to shape the transition from passivity to activity in the computation of the new Lord of Initiation, Prophetically. We're not there yet, but that's what we're on the cutting edge of. "This is next."
It seems to me reflected in each piece of Ra Hoor Khuit, with Tahuti standing in his splendor at the prow.
...Big Picture: ...in a Sea of Relativity..., If for no other reason than that we meet under these stars...
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@Aion said
"Eras, astrological shifts..."
Ah, a third word besides eras and aeons: Ages. Different thing. Nothing astrological per se in either aeons or eras.
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Well, that's kind of my point too. What I'm saying is that it happens to be the Era of The Child, but either way, we seem to be really tuning in to Aquarius/Leo. At least there may be made many correspondences between the two.
And in that sense of not really being there yet, it becomes Prophetic.
As you said, who knows? We may even transition through the Era of the Child so quickly that we get to the next stage before Aquarius/Leo ever gets here; nevertheless, that's the change that we're thinking about. And it gets ...woven together.
It's like saying, "We're not there yet, but this is gonna be the Rosetta Stone."
Now use it for the stage you're in.