If the magus is love...
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If the magus is love, Then the ipsissimus must be will, right? Consider the following quotes:
- "Yet the Magus hath power upon the Mother both directly and through Love. And the Magus is Love, and bindeth together That and This in His Conjuration."
-"The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished; as it is written "beyond the Word and the Fool, yea, beyond the Word and the Fool"."
-"Yet let it not be forgotten that though She be love, her function is but passive; she is the vehicle of the Word, of Chokmah, Wisdom, the All-Father, who is the Will of the All-One. And thus they err with grievous error and dire who prate of Love as the Formula of Magick; Love is unbalanced, void, vague, undirected, sterile, nay, more, a very Shell, the prey of abject orts demonic: Love must be "under will.""
Any thoughts?
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I won't pretend to know, but your quotes say, "the Magus is love" and "Chokmah [...] is the Will of the All-One" and "The Ipsissimus [...] has no will".
Based on that, I don't see how the Ipsissimus is will.
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@dillanh said
"If the magus is love, Then the ipsissimus must be will, right? Consider the following quotes:
- "Yet the Magus hath power upon the Mother both directly and through Love. And the Magus is Love, and bindeth together That and This in His Conjuration."
-"The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished; as it is written "beyond the Word and the Fool, yea, beyond the Word and the Fool"."
-"Yet let it not be forgotten that though She be love, her function is but passive; she is the vehicle of the Word, of Chokmah, Wisdom, the All-Father, who is the Will of the All-One. And thus they err with grievous error and dire who prate of Love as the Formula of Magick; Love is unbalanced, void, vague, undirected, sterile, nay, more, a very Shell, the prey of abject orts demonic: Love must be "under will.""
Any thoughts?"
Could you say where you got those quotes from for further reading?
"I won't pretend to know, but your quotes say, "the Magus is love" and "Chokmah [...] is the Will of the All-One" and "The Ipsissimus [...] has no will".
Based on that, I don't see how the Ipsissimus is will."
It is said "no will in any direction" no just "no will". So maybe it can be meant in the sense "pure will, unassuaged of purpose"...in the most perfect manner . "Everything is accomplished", thus it cannot have purpose at all. And having no purpose at all, it is most pure form of will. It is will as such, the first emanation(kether). Doesnt it seem to fit like this?
As the Ipsissimus is pure will, the point, the magus is the line, thus the first direction of will, which is love. Then the reader is warned against love being not under will, as if you get lost in a line, forgeting the point, it might be "evil" indeed. Just an idea.
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@Frater Horus said
"It is said "no will in any direction" no just "no will". So maybe it can be meant in the sense "pure will, unassuaged of purpose"...in the most perfect manner . "Everything is accomplished", thus it cannot have purpose at all. And having no purpose at all, it is most pure form of will. It is will as such, the first emanation(kether). Doesnt it seem to fit like this?
As the Ipsissimus is pure will, the point, the magus is the line, thus the first direction of will, which is love. Then the reader is warned against love being not under will, as if you get lost in a line, forgeting the point, it might be "evil" indeed. Just an idea.
"Except for the fact that "assuage" means to lessen the intensity of something. Unassuaged would mean the opposite. So "Pure will, full of purpose" rather than "Pure will, without purpose". Purpose is integral to the idea of will.
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First quote was from liber vel magi, second quote from one star in sight and the third from little essays(on love).
Maybe it has something to do with the oath of the magus:
"that I will make every act, a reflection of my magical formula."There's two things we know about will. That it must be free of lust of result. Not caring about the outcome.
"...I laid my head against the Head of the Swan, and laughed, saying: Is there not joy ineffable in this aimless winging?"The second is that it must have purpose. So the purpose might just be to express your magical formula.
So if the magus is love, the problem might be that he has no purpose or no center.
Also note: if the purpose is to express that magical formula, it doesn't have a direction. It's just being. Kinda like a point, rather than a line in the sense of, lets say, creating some political change.
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Also from One Star In Sight:
" Ipsissimus. —Is beyond all this and beyond all comprehension of those of lower degrees."
That's pretty much guided my thoughts on the subject. I.e.: Any answers I might come up with aren't going to even be on the right plane, at least until I cross the Abyss, so I might as well not worry myself with them. What I have come to terms with is that, whatever goes on up there, it's beyond mundane concepts like love or will. If you make it to Kether, you're on the verge of reuniting with the Tao. I doubt very much that these concepts mean much of anything at that point.
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
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@Frater Horus said
"It is said "no will in any direction" no just "no will". So maybe it can be meant in the sense "pure will, unassuaged of purpose"...in the most perfect manner . "Everything is accomplished", thus it cannot have purpose at all. And having no purpose at all, it is most pure form of will. It is will as such, the first emanation(kether). Doesnt it seem to fit like this?As the Ipsissimus is pure will, the point, the magus is the line, thus the first direction of will, which is love. Then the reader is warned against love being not under will, as if you get lost in a line, forgeting the point, it might be "evil" indeed. Just an idea.
"Except for the fact that "assuage" means to lessen the intensity of something. Unassuaged would mean the opposite. So "Pure will, full of purpose" rather than "Pure will, without purpose". Purpose is integral to the idea of will."
Haha ! Thanks for pointing that. I agree and understand. I wasnt clear at all. I was trying to express the paradox of the beyond duality in some way. Will can be its own purpose. Will as an emanation(kether) has no other purpose than being such. Thus it is full of "internal" purpose and empty of "external" purpose. If that makes any sense.
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@Gnosomai Emauton said
"Also from One Star In Sight:
" Ipsissimus. —Is beyond all this and beyond all comprehension of those of lower degrees."
That's pretty much guided my thoughts on the subject. I.e.: Any answers I might come up with aren't going to even be on the right plane, at least until I cross the Abyss, so I might as well not worry myself with them. What I have come to terms with is that, whatever goes on up there, it's beyond mundane concepts like love or will. If you make it to Kether, you're on the verge of reuniting with the Tao. I doubt very much that these concepts mean much of anything at that point."
Indeed !