What is a Scarlet Woman?
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Separation of potentiality? Of course not.
Separation of actual attainment/expression? Of course! That's the whole nature of the hierarchy of consciousness. What each of us will do in one or another stage of one or another of our incarnations is a separate matter from what one individual, in a particular time-space frame, is selected/suitable/whatever for. Nature is all about exceptions - differentiation of function - In that sense, we're all exceptions, but the particular job we're chosen for is different.
Crowley was incarnated for the particular purpose of incarnating the Solar Logos at this point in human evolution. Does that mean the rest of us won't attain to that someday? Of course not. (In fact, presuming he's doing his job right... probably sooner rather than later, on the cosmic scale of things.)
Reincarnation is just about the one subject I won't debate in a public setting - right up there next to fundamental experience of deity as I most intimately know it ... so I'll let that bit of bait slide by.
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@Marc Free said
"The kind of separation I was objecting to isn't developmental differentiation or the fundamentally unique a priori solution sets predicated by the application of the postulate of Magick. What I have an issue with is any notion of a separate personal existence away from the transcendental "One Identity" which I felt was implied by the use of the phrase "his Yechidah for example in the post before last."
Language issue, not philosophical division
Duality issues, if not exactly resolved, become fairly irrelevant even lower down the scale than this, so I exercise extreme liberty in picking words that express that one way vs. the other as convenient at the moment.Part of me thinks I should have said: "Shared Yechidah as reached from the particular vector of the individuated expression that appears to be a separate person."
Part of me thinks I should hold to: "There are an infinite number of Sole Only Points - Hadit-units - as there are infinite points with any area of space - each serving a distinctive role within the larger scope of what we call Nuit."
And, of course, both of those sets of words (aside from being hurried and unedited) bears the delicious flaws of language.
"My understanding is that Yechidah means "her indivisible unity""
Literally: "the only one." Yechid means "only, solitary," and Yechidah means "the only thing, onlyness," the same way that Geburah means "the strong thing, strength."
"so isnt his yechidah is the same as yours and my yechidah, No?"
Sure - except that, in the use of language, it comes down not to what is so (since we aren't conveying that anyway) but to what is useful in the moment. People below full adepthood (by which I mean A.'.A.'. 5=6 or old G.D. 8-3 levels) need to be aspiring to (coining a phrase for the occassion) transcendental differentiation (which exists in the context of inseparable connection) - the solar function, the Distinguishing Consciousness of the 6th Path - not to dissolution. That being stablized, growth is toward the its dissolution in the Abyss. In speaking to nearly everybody on nearly everything, I find it more functional to use "separation (i.e., differentiation) language." Keeps things on target. Those who "get it" will know the part that wasn't said, those that don't yet "get it" will be misdirected to stay on track.
"So is your point of view that we have individual ivory towers of personal consciousness or in reality is no man an island?"
Short of the point where extension ends, it is as if we are extremely separate and distinct. Every man and every woman is a star - a distinct and separate unit - which, in turn, is part of infinite space. Every man and every woman is an island - in the midst of an infinite sea.
Of course, that's only while they're men and women.
Ultimately? Ultimate is infinite and inseparable. I have very little occassion to publically discuss "ultimately," though.
On all the rest - Agreed! (Oh, except maybe Aiwass should be a new thread.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Part of me thinks I should have said: "Shared Yechidah as reached from the particular vector of the individuated expression that appears to be a separate person.""
Outstanding definition, which comes off as neither hurried nor unedited. I have been trying to address in my diary of late the notion of Thelema as the line (2) between the individuated expression and its source. This serves. It also paints a nice picture of Abiegnus.
@marc said
"So is your point of view that we have individual ivory towers of personal consciousness or in reality is no man an island
@jim said
"Short of the point where extension ends, it is as if we are extremely separate and distinct. Every man and every woman is a star - a distinct and separate unit - which, in turn, is part of infinite space. Every man and every woman is an island - in the midst of an infinite sea.
Of course, that's only while they're men and women."
"I don't like this analogy. It fails to take into account that our being, at every level including the "man and woman" level, is flooded with that infinite sea; that sea does not crash into the shores, it is the shores.
One occult maxim reads: "Every man and every woman is a star." Another reads: "The Life-Power is concentrated and radiated from all of the stars in the universe." What is unstated in this latter maxim is that a priori all of the stars are receiving the Light radiated from all of the other stars. I say a priori, but it is also capable of becoming empirical. See all those infinite vectors of Light? The Matrix? The brilliance too bright to be seen? In fact, I posit that this is the Vision of Adonai being discussed in another thread.
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@zeph said
"In fact, I posit that this is the Vision of Adonai being discussed in another thread."
Wow. That sounds a whole lot like part of the "vision" of Adonai I experienced. I saw our HGAs as not nearly as individual and individualistic as I had previously assumed.
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@zeph said
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@marc said
"So is your point of view that we have individual ivory towers of personal consciousness or in reality is no man an island@jim said
"Short of the point where extension ends, it is as if we are extremely separate and distinct. Every man and every woman is a star - a distinct and separate unit - which, in turn, is part of infinite space. Every man and every woman is an island - in the midst of an infinite sea.
Of course, that's only while they're men and women."
"I don't like this analogy. It fails to take into account that our being, at every level including the "man and woman" level, is flooded with that infinite sea; that sea does not crash into the shores, it is the shores."
OK. I didn't start the island thing, he did.
I just surfed it up a bit."Choose ye an island" I usually take as meaning to select an isolated and disctinctive p.o.v. or "position" out of the sea and pick it as the ground where you stand &c. &c. - I really don't think it's the best metaphor for what I used it above.
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@Marc Free said
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@zeph said
"Methinks this is leading us toward a discussion of reincarnation. "
Ahh, the manatee. Wisest of all the sea dwelling creatures.
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Ultimate topic!
Whats will happen to crowley, then his solar seat will be seated by another man?
So yechidah is a space for 9=2 for the incarnations of avatars? What is kether purpose then and above?Jim wrote: Part of me thinks I should hold to: "There are an infinite number of Sole Only Points - Hadit-units - as there are infinite points with any area of space - each serving a distinctive role within the larger scope of what we call Nuit."
-I think this otherwise, you felt that many people has already accepted hadith
-Can hadit and nuit be incarnate avatars and what spheres they represent if has any?Jim wrote: What each of us will do in one or another stage of one or another of our incarnations is a separate matter from what one individual, in a particular time-space frame, is selected/suitable/whatever for.
-DO they have any free good work spaces left?
**-Jim wrote:**Sure - except that, in the use of language, it comes down not to what is so (since we aren't conveying that anyway) but to what is useful in the moment. People below full adepthood (by which I mean A.'.A.'. 5=6 or old G.D. 8-3 levels) need to be aspiring to (coining a phrase for the occassion) transcendental differentiation (which exists in the context of inseparable connection) - the solar function, the Distinguishing Consciousness of the 6th Path - not to dissolution. That being stablized, growth is toward the its dissolution in the Abyss. In speaking to nearly everybody on nearly everything, I find it more functional to use "separation (i.e., differentiation) language." Keeps things on target. Those who "get it" will know the part that wasn't said, those that don't yet "get it" will be misdirected to stay on track.
I dont understand.~ - So you meant that ones who ''get it'' goes further to chokmah and beyond, who didnt get goes to ''true nature''?
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I think Dragon is next octave of the beast. In the ''Beast of revelation'' it is said ''And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast''
Does anyone has encountered thelemic dragon phenomena, coz google has -
There are plenty of dragon references in The Bible and in Gnostic writings, so of course they will appear in Crowley's writings.
From AL I,24 The New Comment "The N of Nu is therefore the Dragon -- "Infinite Space" -- and V is "the Infinite Stars" thereof." and "The Dragon in current symbolism refers to the North or Hollow of Heaven; thus to the Womb of Space, which is the container and breeder of all that exists.".
In AL III,55 The New Comment he says "the true Going-Principle is the Lion-Serpent, or Dragon" in reference to spermatozoon.
There are also a few dragons in Liber 418.
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There is this beautiful woman on these forums, she ignites the fire within! All I can think of is making love - not simple sex - I am talking making love in some impossible way never before experienced.. She must be a Scarlet woman!
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Whoa, who bumped this from, uh, how many years ago? [........]
Cool discussion between Zeph and Mr. Eshelman (two very devoted and excellent Thelmites.)
I shall read and ponder.
As for my humble opinion: A Scarlet Woman is a female member of the human species whose epidermis displays coloration somewhere between magenta and hot pink.
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"There is this beautiful woman on these forums, she ignites the fire within! All I can think of is making love - not simple sex - I am talking making love in some impossible way never before experienced.. She must be a Scarlet woman!
"I was looking up info on Yechidah and came across this gem.
I feel the same way about HerAnd yea...Ill bump dead things back to life no problem