8=3 Magister Templi
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@wanderer-exile said
"I would like to ask, if by using the phrase "Eight High Trances", was Aleister Crowley referring to the Jhanas?"
That wasn't Crowley, that was me and, yes, that's another name for them.
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Following a commentary on "The Ordeal of Ida Pendragon":] This story marks a stage in my own understanding of the formula of initiation. I began to see that one might become a Master of the Temple without necessarily knowing any technical Magick or mysticism at all. It is merely a matter of convenience to be able to represent any expression as x + y = 0. The equation may be solved without words. Many people may go through the ordeals and attain the degrees of the A.'.A.'. without ever hearing that such an Order exists. The universe is, in fact, busy with nothing else, for the relation of the Order to it is that of the man of science to his subject. He writes CaCl2 + H2SO4 = CaSO4 + 2HCl for his own convenience and that of others, but the operation was always in progress independently." [Confessions, p. 68]
I'm pretty amazed by this. What sort of people do it this way?
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@seekinghga said
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@gerry456 said
"What sort of people do it this way?"Almost certainly those who are unaware of it."
That goes without saying and I was hoping for a bit more. I mean anyone who wasn't even a tad bit scholarly or wasn't involved in any creative pursuits, I strongly doubt that these are the types AC is alluding to. I could be wrong. What do y'all think?
For example some of the "great" "Zen masters" didn't know how to read or write.
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@gerry456 said
"That goes without saying and I was hoping for a bit more."
What more were you hoping for? Talkie talk?
"I mean anyone who wasn't even a tad bit scholarly or wasn't involved in any creative pursuits, I strongly doubt that these are the types AC is alluding to. I could be wrong. What do y'all think?
For example some of the "great" "Zen masters" didn't know how to read or write."
Not knowing how to read or write bespeaks of a strong urge to not think. One's opinion of oneself, what one is, is a milestone of thought. Thought. Thought.
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I tried to draw a picture of the Magister Templi robe as described in Book 4, Part 2, but trying to draw a pattern that consisted of stars, roses, lilies, etc. made it look too much like some Grandma's drapes. Are there examples online? I looked but couldn't find any. Does anyone have a suggestion on how not to make the robe look like the aforementioned drapes.
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I doubt one was ever physically made. It's a description of a state of consciousness with which the MT is robed.
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Lol @ the robe
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I have a question regarding Mater Triumphans gesture as the sign of 8=3
To be more precise, I'm curious about the "identity" of the child Ma(s)ter is holding. By identity I mean symbolic meaning of this child.
I have few soultions of my own and would like to hear your comments about it.**1. The child is Yechidah- Keter.
**Explanation: One of possible translations of Yechidah is "only child" (Judges 11:34). From mythological standpoint child is obviously Harpocrates as Mater is Asi and Harpocrates can correspond to Keter. "...the pure Being invented as an aspect of pure Nothing." (Book of Thoth)
Besides this, child as "Crowned and Conquering Child" corresponds to Keter as well.**2. The child is Ruach- Any possible aspect-sephira of Ruach but Tiphereth in general
**Explanation: After the crossing of the Abyss the formula of attainment shifts from "male" to "female". Magister Templi becomes unified with the Mother and begets a child. But this child must finally separate from the Mother. Dissolution of the ego of Adept into the Cup is considered Solve part of the formula while separation of the child from the Mother, Coagula. (Book of Lies, 3)
This Coagula process could be the same proccess described as:
""Every active Member of the Order has destroyed all that He is and all that He has on crossing the Abyss; but a star is cast forth in the Heavens to enlighten the Earth, so that he may possess a vehicle wherein he may communicate with mankind. " (OSIS)
"But to him who would be a Master of the Temple, the reverse applies. He wishes to remain perpetually in Samadhi, and it is therefore his renunciation to descend further and further into matter. He has volatilized the fixed; now he must fix the volatile. He has ascended from his particular body to the Universal Soul. That Universal Soul must now incarnate itself ever more completely in that body, and in the bodies and minds of all men.....The Master of the Temple has given birth to a child, which child appears as an Adept among men. But that which was the Adept is but a little pile of dust...He has finished with Solve. He must begin Coagula….And in relation to his body and mind he is but a vehicle of the forces that are beyond the Abyss. He will therefore speak, but as a man among men, of that which he has seen and heard." (TSK)Also in "The Wake world" under Binah we read: "By and by you see a tremendous blaze of a new sun in the Sixth House, and you are as glad as glad as glad; and there are millions of trumpets blown, and voices crying: 'Hail to the Fairy Prince!' meaning the new one that you have had for your baby" The Latin word Puerperium on the side denotes "giving birth" and Partus, aforementioned separation process.
What this could mean in very practical terms is, in order to fully function in the outer world, M.T. has to "resurrect" his previously destroyed Ego-Ruach which is not anymore the boss but consecrated vehicle of the Neschamah and the channel for manifestation of the Supernals on the lower plane.
The gesture of suckling points to unbreakable connection of this restructured Ruach-baby to mother-Neschamah.
In this context, Harpocrates as child corespond to magical image of Tiphereth.What are your thoughts on this?
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I take it to be the magician - At this point we could say rhe Babe of the abyss - From which the master has been liberated.
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Thank you for answering!
Ok, I get what you mean. Your explanation probably goes more in the line of: "being received and reconstructed in the Third Order, as a Babe in the womb of our Lady BABALON, under the Night of Pan, to grow up to be Himself wholly and truly as He was not previously"(OSIS). Would you agree?
But, I'm still curious. If you would have to define this child in terms of Kabbalah/Tree of Life, how would you do it? Does it then "belong" to Binah or somewhere else?
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If I say I agree, then I'm only confirming whatever those words already mean inside your thought matrix, and I have no idea whether I agree with that or not.
I suppose I'd say its the sum of all the faculties below N'shamah. You have to understand, though, that it's an artificial construct - an artifice - that never existed as a being, just as the inference of one.
BTW there is also important sense in which the infant is the whole world; and another in which it is the Magister's specific work.
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Nice point!
I'm just trying to understand M.T. sign as good as I can since I lack the actual experience this sign represents.
Reading Crowley and comparing his writings helps to certain degree but It can also be confusing or I'm simply not ready/able to understand.Thank you for sharing your opinion with me!