Trinity, a doubt.
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Hi, all.
I've dwelved into thoughts about the concept of God triune the way that the church , as well christianity has.Father,Son, Holy Ghost.
It just doesn't feel right, as the feminine figure is missing.
Ideally the Holy Ghost should be the feminine part of trinity, but as the scriptures tell us that it was the means of the father to beget the Son through Virgin Mary, it is masculine.So wouldn't it be right to say that The Father gives Light as The Holy Ghost, and The Mother Recieves this Light , and from this Divine Sex(i we can call it like this) The Son is begoten.
So the trinity would definitively be Father,Son,Mother.
In our concrete view, The father is the SUN, Holy ghost is the Light, Mother is Earth, and the Son is Man.
And we as people are identified by the Son, who has in himself the Father and the Mother.
And this clearly leads to the known "God is Man, Man is God".
We find this in the Kabbalah also, in the passage of the ZOHAR:
“The Beings who live Below, say that God is on High;
while the Angels in Heaven, say that God is on Earth.”The whole point is, maybe i got out of topic, that in the Trinity, the feminine symbol is missing.
Or i can't see it out of ignorance.Any thoughts about this?
AUM.
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@xfilesalbania said
"The whole point is, maybe i got out of topic, that in the Trinity, the feminine symbol is missing."
Or - maybe you men to say? - that in the Christian Trinity the feminine symbol is missing.
Because in the Thelemic form of the Trinity, She's certainly there.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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Or - maybe you men to say? - that in the Christian Trinity the feminine symbol is missing.Because in the Thelemic form of the Trinity, She's certainly there.
"of course the christian form of trinity, i specified it in the begining.
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Father - Mother - Child is a trinity which is naturally encoded in our species. I think that any mythology which cherishes this fact of nature is going to be more psychologically powerful than one which does not. Admittedly, I never really understood what the Christian Holy Spirit was supposed to be.
As science and technology expand the human capability for reproduction, and society embraces non-traditional family units, the parental roles become increasingly blurred, as do their relationship (biologically and socially) to the child. The one thing which remains unchanged, however, is the fact of the child. I think this corresponds nicely with notion of the Aeon of Horus as Crowley advocated. How does this impact the trinity of future Aeons?
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From what I understand the Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. But, has been come to be seen as masculine or gender neutral because of the way the church has chosen to convey information.
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@Techpries said
"From what I understand the Holy Spirit is feminine in nature. But, has been come to be seen as masculine or gender neutral because of the way the church has chosen to convey information."
Many people thus define it - and I tend to so define it myself. (Personally, I think it is the same as Shekinah.)
But I don't make a big deal about it either way because I reject the Christian Trinity as a metaphysical reality. It only enters my field when a particular piece of symbolism pops up that speaks to it.
The main assertion, though, has always been that it is all masculine. I take this as a variant of insisting that the trio of Yod Heh Vav in YHVH is all masculine
(That Emperor symbolism for Heh served a millennium of misogenists quite well.)FWIW, Crowley insists without ambiguity, in one of the two most important O.T.O. IX° instructions, that the (from context, Christian) Trinity is entirely masculine and has no feminine component.*
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@jw said
"Father - Mother - Child is a trinity which is naturally encoded in our species."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Ulxdvn8vA
A man and a woman had a little baby,
Yes, they did.
They had three in the family,
And that's a magic number. -
"I've dwelved into thoughts about the concept of God triune the way that the church , as well christianity has.
Father,Son, Holy Ghost.
It just doesn't feel right, as the feminine figure is missing.
"At least in "hardcore" orthodox theology, the trinity is considered absolutely non-gendered, the point is elsewhere.
If one is The Father (not Mr. X who happens to be a father, but one who exists, who -is- only because he is Father- if you subtract the fathership, he/she/it cannot be. Whe're CERTAINLY not talking about YHVH here- in orthodox theology again) he -is- only because there is a Son: he is not an ontological fact/monad, to define him/her/it one must speak of another's fact/non-fact, that of the Son. The same is for the Son (Only in being Son of a Father can he exist), the same is for the Spirit- of someone, of the Father. We're not speaking of three deities here, and also we cannot really speak of one deity (a deity that is actually an ontological MONAD). It's all about "existential reciprocality", the gender examination cannot really enter here, IMHO. If it does, we're speaking of something else, not the christian triad.PS: That does not mean that ALL theologians understand this- actually, protestantism is founded in not understanding it. Prove of this is that, for example, Thomas Aquinas in his definition of God has three points defining God as an existential Monad who can simply Be all of itself and, as point four, adds the trinitarian nature- the understanding of which would cancel the first three points: God cannot on the same time be ONLY in-relation-to AND something which is stably a) b) c)....
Sorry for the ranting, I'm out of caffeine and I'm totally addicted.
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Hmm...
The problem I see here is that the symbolism of the trinity is particularily multiple-faceted - it's ideological content depends largley on context; consider: where the Father cannot be a monad in x case, the Father most certainly can in y case. Thus, I am left wondering: what sort of discussion did you expect; could you clarify your question(s)?
Thanks for your time,
QaZsE - Fr. T.E.U.