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There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious

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    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

    "There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son." - L III:74

    Splendour & Glory(as in glorious) are interchangable translations/definitions for the title of the 8th Sephirah, Hod. The "sun of midnight" is Kheph-Ra, the God adored in the midnight portion of Liber Resh, in which the magician faces North(Hod) & assumes the Sign of 3=8, Water - the element attributed to Hod.

    My question is this: Why is "the son" so candidly coupled with Hod? Is it simply because of the correlations between Jesus & Hermes?

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    Father:Son :: Sun:Mercury :: Ra-hoor:Thoth :: Tiphareth:Hod (which is actually just a reflection of Kether:Chokmah in this case)

    IAO131

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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "Splendour & Glory(as in glorious) are interchangable translations/definitions for the title of the 8th Sephirah, Hod. The "sun of midnight" is Kheph-Ra, the God adored in the midnight portion of Liber Resh, in which the magician faces North(Hod) & assumes the Sign of 3=8, Water - the element attributed to Hod.

    My question is this: Why is "the son" so candidly coupled with Hod?"

    I don't think it is. There are many Hebrew words that translate to "splendor" (arguably the most important being KBVD).

    I do get your point that both "splendor" and "glory" are used in the same verse.

    But the verse itself shows this hidden splendor and glory to be essentially solar.

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I don't think it is. There are many Hebrew words that translate to "splendor" (arguably the most important being KBVD).

    I do get your point that both "splendor" and "glory" are used in the same verse.

    But the verse itself shows this hidden splendor and glory to be essentially solar."

    93 Jim,
    Why is the sun of midnight, as opposed to the sun of morning, ever the son? & why is Kheph-Ra connected with Hod? Is it simply because of the allocation of the magician on the TOL when performing the Hexagram ritual?(assuming that one is intended to visualize themselves standing at the cross-road of Samekh & Peh, as in the Pentagram ritual)

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    @KRVB MMShCh said

    "Why is the sun of midnight, as opposed to the sun of morning, ever the son?"

    One could answer that a lot of different ways. Possibly the simplest (as I head out the door and write off the top of my head) is that it is the most deeply interior truth that is All-Truth.

    The verse may also be saying that even the Sun you don't see is still the Sun.

    "& why is Kheph-Ra connected with Hod?"

    He isn't except in the highly specialized sense that that in Liber Resh the whole pattern is based on the idea of standing at the intersection of Samekh and Peh on the Tree, oriented so that Tiphereth is before one, Yesod behind, Netzah to one's right, and Hod to one's left. (Yes, you got it in your next couple of sentences.)

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    Something of note, that although it is "midnight," it is actually the beginning of a new day, birthed in the 'darkness' of the old one.

    Kind of like the supernal "darkness" that precedes the "light" of day (the concept has been on my mind quite a bit recently).

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "He isn't except in the highly specialized sense that that in Liber Resh the whole pattern is based on the idea of standing at the intersection of Samekh and Peh on the Tree, oriented so that Tiphereth is before one, Yesod behind, Netzah to one's right, and Hod to one's left. (Yes, you got it in your next couple of sentences.)"

    I realize I may be completely off here, but isn't Hod in the South and *Netzach *in the North?

    Dan

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    @Uni_Verse said

    "Something of note, that although it is "midnight," it is actually the beginning of a new day, birthed in the 'darkness' of the old one.

    Kind of like the supernal "darkness" that precedes the "light" of day (the concept has been on my mind quite a bit recently)."

    Thank you Uni_Verse...that definitely helps put things in perspective. 93 93/93

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    @ar said

    "I realize I may be completely off here, but isn't Hod in the South and *Netzach *in the North?"

    For the Pentagram Ritual, yes. For Resh, no.

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    @Jim Eshelman said

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    "I realize I may be completely off here, but isn't Hod in the South and *Netzach *in the North?"

    For the Pentagram Ritual, yes. For Resh, no."

    Wow. I hadn't thought they'd be different. What does it mean that Hod and Netzach swap between Resh and the LRP?

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    @ar said

    "Wow. I hadn't thought they'd be different. What does it mean that Hod and Netzach swap between Resh and the LRP?"

    It means that the writer had a different theory or idea in his mind. 😄

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    93

    "There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son. - L III:74"

    Does anyone else think this line has to do with AMEN, the hidden god, maybe? What's the hidden god ritual of the OTO about might I ask?

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    @Asraiya said

    "What's the hidden god ritual of the OTO about might I ask?"

    Hidden god ritual of the O.T.O.?

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    "Hidden god ritual of the O.T.O.?"

    I've been reading the history of my lineage as a student task but I'll have to go back and find it.. One of the (in)famous thelemites (I forget which) "who stepped out of his role as Lodge Master of Agape to do the ritual of the hidden god" is pretty much what it said. It interested me because of a book I read in the 90's called 'Ahkunaton' about Egyptian history when the solar deity went from Aton to Amen suddenly and the fact that every Christian prayer I've heard ends with amen... I seem to be inclined to try to see anything that's "hidden" inheritantly 😄

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    @Asraiya said

    "One of the (in)famous thelemites (I forget which) "who stepped out of his role as Lodge Master of Agape to do the ritual of the hidden god" is pretty much what it said."

    Ah. Wilfred Smith. Got it. OK, that's not an official O.T.O. ritual. I don't know what work Wilfred specifically did, but Crowley (more in an A.'.A.'. context) gave him the assignment of discovering what god he was and he went off to do that.

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    Or...

    AL III:74, "There is a splendour in my name hidden and glorious, as the sun of midnight is ever the son."

    "Hidden" = NSThR = hidden, secret = 710
    "Glorious" = GAVN (Final Nun) = Excellence, sublimity, glory = 710

    The words "hidden" and "glorious" are unified in this number 710. 710 is also the number of the Hebrew word ShIT, which means "Six" - the number of the Sun. Further, 710=7+1+0=8=Hod (Splendor), which relates back to "a splendour" mentioned.

    The point of mentioning midnight is, like Jim said, that the Sun is not easily visible at midnight yet we are counseled that it is there... Physically obvious, spiritually/metaphorically quite profound.

    You should realize that it is says "ever the son" not "sun," too (they are essentially Qabalistically exchangeable in Tiphareth, though)

    Also, Crowley comments on this line saying, " Khephra is the Sun at midnight in the North. Now in the North is Taurus, the Bull, Apis the Redeemer, the Son."

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    IAO131 93!

    "Also, Crowley comments on this line saying, " Khephra is the Sun at midnight in the North. Now in the North is Taurus, the Bull, Apis the Redeemer, the Son.""

    That makes way more sense to me. Don't know what my orientation is exactly but earth is the element for North, the buffalo, fire to the South and the snake, eagle/air in the East etc. and that's what eye see. Hod/WATER for North confused me completely but I know how water appears to reflect fire, the two dancing elementals negate each other while air/earth are opposites but the cross is to perpetuate motion like a swastika not to annihilate. I just realized Hod and Netzah are in my blind spots so to say. I know the least about their attributes comparitively. Sigh- all good things in all good time....

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    @Asraiya said

    "That makes way more sense to me. Don't know what my orientation is exactly but earth is the element for North...Hod/WATER for North confused me completely"

    93 Asraiya,
    In the LPR Hod is aligned with Taurus & thus earth - but in the LHR Hod alignes with Cancer which is a water sign...also, the Sign of 3=8 is that of water.

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