Thelemic salesman?
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I am currently working as a salesman and allthough our product is sound and has to do with security i find myself in somewhat of a moral dilemma.
My Ethics are ,and has been since decades, libertal and according to Liber Al.
So, is it possible to work as a salesman, making "cold calls" (uninvited calls to buissenesses) and be a Thelemite?On the one hand i have always believed in affecting my surrounding stars as little as possible, leaving their own paths up to them.
Convincing nobody of anything.
"Every man and every woman is a star".
Their wills being a Mystery to me i prefer to not "point the way" for people.
At the same time i have always believed in competition and enterprice.
"As brothers fight ye".
A cold call could be seen as a fight or competition in witch my job is to get them to buy and their job is to avoid buying (or get a lower price)...in short, buisseness.
After all, respecting the wills of others includes not worrying about the wills of others.
The objection here could be that they did not enter into the competition willingly (exept by being buissenesses).
I want to respect the paths of my fellow stars.
I also want to pay rent. -
My husband was a machine tools salesman. I think that if you go to someone who might be helped by your product, that coming in and presenting it is just fine. Allow yourself to be guided. God made salesmen, too.
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93 Brother.
It is simple. If you believe in the product and are simply making someone aware of it, explaining the benefits and letting them decide, then there is no problem.
If you are using techniques specifically to make them do something you know they don't want to do, then that would be non-thelemic.
Just showing someone a product and telling them why you love it, and how it can help is not forcing anyone's will. Manipulation, trickery, lies, and false pressure should not be used.
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@Marcel said
"I am currently working as a salesman and allthough our product is sound and has to do with security i find myself in somewhat of a moral dilemma.
My Ethics are ,and has been since decades, libertal and according to Liber Al.
So, is it possible to work as a salesman, making "cold calls" (uninvited calls to buissenesses) and be a Thelemite?On the one hand i have always believed in affecting my surrounding stars as little as possible, leaving their own paths up to them.
Convincing nobody of anything.
"Every man and every woman is a star".
Their wills being a Mystery to me i prefer to not "point the way" for people.
At the same time i have always believed in competition and enterprice.
"As brothers fight ye".
A cold call could be seen as a fight or competition in witch my job is to get them to buy and their job is to avoid buying (or get a lower price)...in short, buisseness.
After all, respecting the wills of others includes not worrying about the wills of others.
The objection here could be that they did not enter into the competition willingly (exept by being buissenesses).
I want to respect the paths of my fellow stars.
I also want to pay rent."this is very interesting
in my first job i worked for salesmen and concluded that they were the slime of this earth; everything wrong with capitalism right there. Wilhelm Reich (imo that other avatar of Horus) was against the fasleness of "the lower middle class" and he belived their work practices damaged their characters in the long run. Presumably he meant salesmen i.e liars.
This is a capitalist society and generally liberal (liber-al ?)i.e. the Adam Smith influenced everything finding it's own natural happy balance if left to it's own device unhindered by governmental restriction ("the word of sin") and companies need to "push" their product differentiation.. What can i say? You talk of ethics but you are invovled with Thelema where ethics are relative. Perhaps you are experiencing inner guidance which manifests as guilt toward your sales work. Perhaps on the other hand these guilt pangs are the last vestiges of fake Xian egotism. Only you know the answer
however i suggest you get a real job
just kiddin'
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@Marcel said
"So, is it possible to work as a salesman, making "cold calls" (uninvited calls to buissenesses) and be a Thelemite?"
Your word "possible" makes it possible to say Yes. It's possible.
But I understand the ethical dilemma. I could never do sales (or, rather, never succeed at doing sales) where successful selling was seen as bringing another to make a choice contrary to their real best interests.
Still, like all morality, it's gotta be an individual decision.
"Their wills being a Mystery to me i prefer to not "point the way" for people."
You can likely benefit from realizing that, in the event of true will, people aren't so fragile.
"I want to respect the paths of my fellow stars.
I also want to pay rent."That's it in a nutshell! Both are worthy ends.