Self Love & Stardom
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Jim,
I've heard the same song & dance from senior members of every forum I've belonged to. Not only were they not willing to consider my work as a thelemite; once I actually joined a fraternity, I became the "not high enough initiate" to share said information with. I'm not trying to $#!t in anybody's breakfast of champions; I want you to acknowledge the failing of pecking orders & group politics in respect to Thelema, & respect the sublimity of the Prophet Ankh F N Khonsu's commentary on the book of the law.
Tell me, what is the harm in helping a person understand the spiritual transformation they are experiencing? I've had the presence of mind & done enough research to ask specific questions; and so I've received atleast some explanation about the process of spiritual unfolding & ALL of it was from personal experience. My quarel with Thelema is not the individual Thelemite's quest for truth, it is the outrageously deceptive practices of organizations that do little more than breed co-dependance; literally. Not only do you withhold valuable information from solitary practitioners who are experiencing the ordeals begotten from actual work [which is a crippling blow to any spiritual transformation]; you spoonfeed all of your initiates until they begin to rely on the order, & not themselves for truth.
For any solitary practitioners out there who are struggling with the work there is an unbelievably simple method of initiating the Night of Pan; that can be found at <www.soul-trek.com> There is a three step process to the pattern of initiation; a process that will continue to recycle itself until so-called mastery is achieved. There is a link to the forum in the PDF manuscript; a place to discuss any & all aspects of the work.
Also, its important I should mention that, the cyclic pattern of the initiation process is three fold. First is the cycle of initiation based on the LBRP & Star Ruby, which culminates in the manifestation of PAN in the psyche of the practitioner; which is like unto the rising of the kundalini or the light of the Heart/Tiphareth unto the Crown/Kether. It is the Blind force of Horus illuminated by the Priestess AIWAZ [chief of all]. When this is achieved it will be necessary to direct that force according to your true will; by taking the oath of the abyss, with the motto that has revealed itself to you then, & only at that time. Once the oath is taken, please don't panic at the severity of the ordeals, that are initiated by it. Always remember the obligation of your oath, and you will never fall. You may feel inspired to receive the mark of the beast tattoo [which conceals & reveals the mystery of Kether & the Grade of Ipsissimuss described in Thelemite Liber B vel Magi as well as in the oath itself] one has bee provided in the file's section. Please wear Hadit/Khephra proudly!
Also, though it is not required to transcend the "abyss of mind"; you may, if you Will, make use of the Star Sapphire version of the Eucharist rite, with the G.O.A.T. keyword analysis; in order to effectively birth your star. I am still re-organizing & revising this manuscript; and it will be published to the forum's file section shortly.
For any person that experiences an inordinate amount of fear or turmoil or psychological upheaval due to the three-fold process of initiation; please don't panic! Please contact the forum administrator & seek professional psychological help. If the symptoms of your ordeal in any way resemble mental illness, do not be afraid to turn to your psychiatrist or your loved one's for help maintaining psychological well-being; & always remember that any medications etc. will not effect or interfere with the spiritual transformation you are undergoing. As with any magickal rite of initiation, it is wise to expect at least SOME psychological upheaval from the forces at work; ESPECIALLY the enochian angels; which will not rest until your psyche is fully integrated & harmonized with the God-head.
I bid you all Hail! & Welcome to your future! Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law!
93 The Word of the Law is ThELEMA.
Ankh F N Khonsu
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@red cloud said
"I want you to acknowledge the failing of pecking orders & group politics in respect to Thelema, & respect the sublimity of the Prophet Ankh F N Khonsu's commentary on the book of the law."
If you mean the so-called Class A Commentary, you picked the wrong angle with me. I don't regard that as an inspired commentary at all - just as an emotionally wounded man's opinion of the moment. (You can find earlier discussons of this matter on this forum, so I'm not going to repeat myself on details.)
"Tell me, what is the harm in helping a person understand the spiritual transformation they are experiencing?"
The harm is in putting forth a fiction as if it were an objective measuring tool. This is harmful because it misleads students easily entranced by it when they couod be studying legitimate techniques instead.
"My quarel with Thelema is not the individual Thelemite's quest for truth, it is the outrageously deceptive practices of organizations that do little more than breed co-dependance; literally."
I'm not quite sure what you're arguing here about the preceeding. I was specifically commenting on a technical method.
"Not only do you withhold valuable information from solitary practitioners who are experiencing the ordeals begotten from actual work [which is a crippling blow to any spiritual transformation]; you spoonfeed all of your initiates until they begin to rely on the order, & not themselves for truth."
Since you said "you," I will take it that you're talking about me personally and will respond briefly. First, at all levels we encourage reading of pretty much whatsoever someone chooses, so we aren't blocking any information they want to pursue. Second, we've published openly a large amount of our private material (enough that more than one senior member has expressed surprise at what got published). Third, I will unapologetically admit to having spend decades building a system that lays as safe and secure a foundation training as possible - there is no reason to expose people to unnecessary dangers, neglect, or known false paths when these can be weeded out. Fourth, independent of that, I have spent even more decades supporting a system that is individual rather than group-based, and this appears to be what you're pushing for. My public teaching over 20 years (including this year's lecture circuit talk) has always provided practical and immediate and accessible teachings - just ask the people, for example who attended my recent NYC lecture.
I even spend hundreds of hours a year creating, managing, moderating, and participating in this forum which doesn't require any affiliation with anything.
So any accusation of mystery mongering isn't likely to stick very well.
I haven't even interfered with your using this forum to reasonably publicize your own favored approach.
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@red cloud said
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For any person that experiences an inordinate amount of fear or turmoil or psychological upheaval due to the three-fold process of initiation; please don't panic! Please contact the forum administrator & seek professional psychological help. If the symptoms of your ordeal in any way resemble mental illness, do not be afraid to turn to your psychiatrist or your loved one's for help maintaining psychological well-being; & always remember that any medications etc. will not effect or interfere with the spiritual transformation you are undergoing. As with any magical rite of initiation, it is wise to expect at least SOME psychological upheaval from the forces at work; ESPECIALLY the enochian angels; which will not rest until your psyche is fully integrated & harmonized with the God-head."
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I got tired of writing intelligent critique of NAEQ over the years"
Jim,
I discovered the NAEQ for the first time about a month ago, and am very curious to hear some intelligent critique. Sounds like you don't want to write me out some, but might it be possible to direct me to something you, or someone else may have already written on the subject? I want to know what someone with a large amount of experience has to say about its pros and cons. -
I would like to read the past posts concerning this but Im having a hard time finding them
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Click Search at the top of this page. Use the Google search option and type (inside of double quotes) "English Qabalah" in the window.
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ABRAKADABRA vs. ABRAHADABRA
Many thanks for that sweet sunkist eargasm this morning at around 9 am! I'll be sure not to raise my voice in your house again pops. Here is my analysis of your dragon breath:
The order of operation given in the oath adheres to Crowley's Alchemical formulation of Pentagrammaton as the Greek AIThER, as described in Ch. 86 of The Book of Lies, & NOT the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHVH or the Hebrew Pentagrammaton ALHIM. You can see through the tables of correspondences that ALHIM does in fact reflect a celestial formula:
Aleph - Air - Elemental
Lamed - Earth - Libra - Cardinal
Heh - Spirit - Aries - Cardinal
Yod - Fire - Virgo - Mutable
Mem - Water - ElementalGoing by Crowley's description of the ALHIM formula in Liber ABA, Magick in Theory & Practice Ch, 4, it is the word of Sorcery, 333 [Abrakadabra] & not Magick, 418 [Abrahadabra]. "ALHIM, therefore, represents rather the formula of consecration than that of a complete ceremony. It is the breath of benediction, yet so potent that it can give life to clay and light to darkness."..."It represents Shakti, or te; femininity always means form, manifestation. The masculine Shiva, or tao, is always a concealed force." And, likewise it is therefore the unbalanced logos of the black-brotherhood; blind spiritual force lacking the mediation of the mind. Hence, the necessity of the Oath of the Abyss. This is particularly apparent given the nature of semen, as the medium of Shakti in men; once the thelemite "death" is had, BABALON; the neschamah becomes the directing & uniting intelligence.
Lie to me again; and I'll be forced to use the hose.
Ankh F N Khonsu
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Is semen feminine?
I always think about my sperm being male. Shiva not shakti.Shiva as in a concealed force.
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A concealed force? so naturally you must ejaculate clouds of dust? HaHa! Force is apparent in semen, regarless if it's used in rites of sex magick,...[+spermos+ greek, meaning "seed"] are living cells with the potential to fuse & fertalize with the female's ovum hence, living organisms. Thus, have we been brought to the significance of their importance in sex magick rites of "sacrifice" where the thelemite ritual rightly performed unto Nuit, Shiva/The Hiding of Hadit begets a magickal force akin to annihilation of the Hidden God, with the potency of (Pi)(Alpha)(Nu) (PAN) the rugged & ruddy selfhood of humanity. The ritual being initiated by God-Kether, that She may lose her self in the joy of revealing Hadit; Him being Her manifestation.
The "Self-Slain Ankh F N Khonsu"; The Hidden God, that he manifests another person's witness of his being; is the hell I've observed. Other's see him as a tormented soul, and so the god seeks solitude to manifest love. God's laughter exists in his knowing that the joy of orgasm destroys all sense of self; and so each child/cell carries with them the seed of her mystery. God is never revealed, or profained.
Either dispersed at ejaculation externally or focused at the gnosis of the orgasmic upward draw internally; each identity conceived is slain in Joy; All of which become one when Unity is manifest in the assumption of the motto of the oath of the abyss. Dive deeper, and the motto is analysed via samadhi on the sphere; the orgasm of the woman/priestess. Dive yet deeper, and the light begotten via the aforementioned mystery of Nuit, is self willed annihilation of subject to object & force is welded to knowledge. Daath is only existant to the oath-breaker. Ra-Hoor-Khuit, exist above the abyss in utter annihilation of All (unity of subject hadit, with object nuit). [Pi. Alpha. Nu.] Unity is never lost nor found; it simply is.
Ra-Hoor-Khuit Lord of the abyss of Reason. The God Has Spoken.
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I've got lumps of it 'round the back.
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Seriously though, was that an answer to the question?
Does studying NAEQ make everyone so keen on filling up huge blocks of text with irrelevancies?
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O? I suppose that's why you won't confuse my work with magic or magick. Tricks! I eat raps for breakfast - just boxed up your dildo with my lucky charms. Abrakadabra? Just between US I'm not afraid to scratch my nutts before you squirrels!
It ain't a gamble with me suckas, I'm a sure thing. Momo is always wet & Haters get the balls. Now showgirls hit the strip, and get my money!
tick tick boom
incoming? cannonball!
Io Pants!
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@red cloud said
"Daath is only existant to the oath-breaker."
I would think, it exists only to the oath-taker. Once you have crossed the Abyss, is there a need or point to taking an oath? By then, perchance, every word is as good as an oath.
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@PainMeridian said
"Is semen feminine?
I always think about my sperm being male. Shiva not shakti.Shiva as in a concealed force."
When considered as the Creative Force of the Universe, then Shakti is a perfect analogy. Kundalini Shakti, like Hadit, is the coiled & springing Serpent:
"I am the secret Serpent coiled about to spring: in my coiling there is joy. If I lift up my head, I and my Nuit are one. If I droop down mine head, and shoot forth venom, then is rapture of the earth, and I and the earth are one. - Liber L. II:26"
If Hadit lifts up His head, then He & Nuit are one. Similarly, if Kundalini Shakti lift up Her head, then She & Shiva are one.
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@Uni_Verse said
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@red cloud said
"Daath is only existant to the oath-breaker."I would think, it exists only to the oath-taker. Once you have crossed the Abyss, is there a need or point to taking an oath? By then, perchance, every word is as good as an oath."
Well, to take a conservative approach to answering: Crowley while 9=2 did discuss the oaths of the 8=3, 9=2, and 10=1 grades. "One Star in Sight" further discusse that to which a 10=1 is "sworn."
So it seems safe to say that Crowley, when in a place to know, would have disagreed with you on this.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Well, to take a conservative approach to answering: Crowley while 9=2 did discuss the oaths of the 8=3, 9=2, and 10=1 grades. "One Star in Sight" further discusse that to which a 10=1 is "sworn." "Can you point me to where he discuss' the oaths? I do not seem to recall reading that. "
It's in one of his published diaries during the '20s.
The 8=3 oath is well known (or, at least, its penultimate clause is well-known). Ah, here it is: His diary entry for May 31, 1920:
@666 said
"I invoked Aiwaz, was shown a phantasm of Baphomet, and suddenly determined to recognize this for Him! I was instantly rewarded by the Word of the Oath of an Ipsissimus: 'I recognize every pbenomenon as God, that is, as my soul.' Hence we see, 10=1 shows God Omnipresent, Dementia; 9=2 God Omnipotent, Mania; and 8=3 God Omniscient, Melancholia."
Someplace similar - I thought it was the same entry, but it isn't, and I can't find the passage - he gave the 9=2 equivalent clause as, “that I will make every act an expression of my Magical Formula.”
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Well, to take a conservative approach to answering: Crowley while 9=2 did discuss the oaths of the 8=3, 9=2, and 10=1 grades. "One Star in Sight" further discusse that to which a 10=1 is "sworn." "Can you point me to where he discuss' the oaths? I do not seem to recall reading that. "
It's in one of his published diaries during the '20s.
The 8=3 oath is well known (or, at least, its penultimate clause is well-known). Ah, here it is: His diary entry for May 31, 1920:
@666 said
"I invoked Aiwaz, was shown a phantasm of Baphomet, and suddenly determined to recognize this for Him! I was instantly rewarded by the Word of the Oath of an Ipsissimus: 'I recognize every pbenomenon as God, that is, as my soul.' Hence we see, 10=1 shows God Omnipresent, Dementia; 9=2 God Omnipotent, Mania; and 8=3 God Omniscient, Melancholia."
Someplace similar - I thought it was the same entry, but it isn't, and I can't find the passage - he gave the 9=2 equivalent clause as, “that I will make every act an expression of my Magical Formula.”"
Omniscience begets Melancholia?
Dementia, Mania, and Melancholia as the trinity of attainment? I laughed at this one. Mania is definitely a side-effect of the path at times.
IAO131
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@Aum418 said
"Dementia, Mania, and Melancholia as the trinity of attainment? I laughed at this one. Mania is definitely a side-effect of the path at times."
Dementia, Mania, and Melancholia are certainly the shadow play of the attainment.
I would have said, however, that omnipresence begets melancholia, omnipotence begets mania, and omniscience begets dementia.
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Hi Jim,
May we have more comment on why those are side effects?
Thanks,
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Everything has its shadow. You can't have a strong effect on the psyche without creating a shadow effect.
These are the shadow companions of the corresponding states of attainment of the corresponding Supernal Sephiroth.
Omnipresence is equivalent to alchemical Salt or the Tamas Guna. At its highest, it is the state of Binah. At the personality level it commonly manifests as depression, inertia, profound darkness, decay.
Omnipotence is equivalent to alchemical Sulphur or the Rajas Guna. At its highest, it is the state of Chokmah. At the personality level it commonly manifests as hyperactivity.
Omniscience is equivalent to alchemical Mercury or the Sattva Guna. At its highest, it is the state of Kether. At the personality level its aberrations are a breakdown of the interpretive faculty and other cognitive capabilities.