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  • F Frater Pramudita

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    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

    I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

    I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

    I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

    I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

    I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

    I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

    Love is the law, love under will
    Fraternally,
    Frater Pramudita

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    Shadow Self
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    Well, why don't you practice them at school? I do not know how your school is, but my school had big deserted places where people were unlikely to find me. Also, college tends to be a place where young people are open to things they would never want their parents to know about.

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    • F Frater Pramudita

      Care
      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

      I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

      I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

      I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

      I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

      I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

      I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

      Love is the law, love under will
      Fraternally,
      Frater Pramudita

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      reino
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      #68

      I'm at a rather small local college. Not a very big campus... maybe 6-8 buildings or so. I'd be hardpressed just to find a place to meditate without looking strange.

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      • F Frater Pramudita

        Care
        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

        I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

        I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

        I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

        I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

        I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

        I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

        Love is the law, love under will
        Fraternally,
        Frater Pramudita

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        Jim Eshelman
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        #69

        Do you have a problem with looking strange? 😉

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        • F Frater Pramudita

          Care
          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

          I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

          I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

          I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

          I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

          I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

          I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

          Love is the law, love under will
          Fraternally,
          Frater Pramudita

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          reino
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          #70

          No, I mean I already look generally strange because I wear clothes that I like and I have a lot of messy hair and show a disregard for modern trends of fashion or self-grooming you know ... No... I don't mind looking strange at all... but in my environment, the situation can grow increasingly oppressive to the degree I allow myself to unveil my total nonconformity ... I've seen it happen before ... My parents are zombies of modern marvels, they've wanted to see me put on medication for a very long time because its easier for them psychologically to pigeonhole me as Insane so they don't have to deal with the idea that there are human beings in the world who actively engage their minds with the great mystery of the endless horizon of being instead of consistently trying to close the inward eye from all perception of subtle and spiritual things, etc, etc

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          • F Frater Pramudita

            Care
            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

            I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

            I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

            I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

            I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

            I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

            I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

            Love is the law, love under will
            Fraternally,
            Frater Pramudita

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            Lykathea
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            I've found that towing the 'normal' line in terms of dress/demeanor/behavior allows society to give me more leeway. But then again, that's just me. Grew up with abuse issues as well, and I've found that a trustworthy friend's space works great. Best of luck, brother.

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            • F Frater Pramudita

              Care
              Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

              I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

              I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

              I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

              I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

              I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

              I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

              Love is the law, love under will
              Fraternally,
              Frater Pramudita

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              Fr Cognosco cum Lux
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              Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

              Reino, I thought JAE's comment was referencing the thought that you might look strange meditating in public rather than whether you non-conform or what modern fashion is appealing.
              It takes guts to meditate in public...the first time. If you pick a good location you become somewhat of a fixture in the public eye and people tend to stop talking about you. At least openly.
              Know Will Dare and be Silent.

              93 93/93

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              • F Frater Pramudita

                Care
                Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                Love is the law, love under will
                Fraternally,
                Frater Pramudita

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                Aum418
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                @PainMeridian said

                "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                Reino, I thought JAE's comment was referencing the thought that you might look strange meditating in public rather than whether you non-conform or what modern fashion is appealing.
                It takes guts to meditate in public...the first time. If you pick a good location you become somewhat of a fixture in the public eye and people tend to stop talking about you. At least openly.
                Know Will Dare and be Silent.

                93 93/93"

                Attracting 'attention' from others isnt meditation. Its a spectacle.

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                • F Frater Pramudita

                  Care
                  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                  I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                  I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                  I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                  I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                  I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                  I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                  Love is the law, love under will
                  Fraternally,
                  Frater Pramudita

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                  Fr Cognosco cum Lux
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                  #74

                  Just sitting on a park bench is a spectacle?
                  I wasn't insinuating public meditation as trying to grab anyone's attention.

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                    Care
                    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                    I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                    I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                    I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                    I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                    I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                    I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                    Love is the law, love under will
                    Fraternally,
                    Frater Pramudita

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                    Aum418
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                    @PainMeridian said

                    "Just sitting on a park bench is a spectacle?
                    I wasn't insinuating public meditation as trying to grab anyone's attention."

                    Sitting on a park bench is not meditating in public first of all - you are trying to play it down. People dont just sit normally with their eyes closed, they fold hteir legs up, put their back straight, and close their eyes. Its a spectacle. I cant imagine how knowing there are people walking around looking at you will help meditation - in fact I cant imagine how or why you would do this unless you wanted attention.

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                      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                      I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                      I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                      I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                      I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                      I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                      I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                      Love is the law, love under will
                      Fraternally,
                      Frater Pramudita

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                      Just wear sunglasses, if you are outside. If you are inside, put a book on your lap. Then meditate.
                      In L.V.X.,
                      chrys333

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                        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                        I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                        I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                        I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                        I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                        I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                        I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                        Love is the law, love under will
                        Fraternally,
                        Frater Pramudita

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                        It depends on what type of meditation one is doing. Mahasatipatthana (or its Advaita type equivalents) for example requires no specific posture or anything like that.

                        Re. the public thing. In my wild and hairy yoof, I did passing-priest-banishings, Liber Jugorum, Liber Resh, etc., openly and publicly, and with gusto - but then I wasn't doubling up my trouble by dressing "alternative" or anything like that. I guess the sight of a guy cutting his arm with a stiff-backed razor in public, or worshipping the rising sun, while dressed normally, was so cognitively dissonant, peoples' minds just blanked it out 😄

                        Reino -

                        My suggestion in a situation with oppressive parents (if they are such) would be that you kowtow to their requirements on the surface - smarten yourself up, get a haircut, etc., whatever they require of you, so they see you as less of a problem, and have you under the microscope less. That will give you more leeway to do practices.

                        Between the ages of 5 and 13 I had mystical experiences - but I sensed that if I had said to my devoutly Catholic mum and dad "hey mum, dad, I'm God!" I would have gotten into deep trouble. Keep it quiet, keep it secret, until you are able to strike out and live on your own.

                        i.e., suppose your parents can only stand a certain quantum of "weirdness" from you, it's better (if you are sincere about the practices) that that quantum be filled with accidental glimpses of your practices, rather than arguments about your "individualism", "self-expression", your favourite music, your hairstyle, arguments about religion, politics, etc., etc., etc. Those are all transient, this business is eternal, and well worth forgetting about all the other stuff for a while until you can get out and live on your own. You could cover it up with something that has a modicum of respectability - e.g. say you're doing "Buddhism" or something like that (and of course it's not far from the truth anyway).

                        Also, though, remember that your parents most probably do love you and only want what's best (in their eyes) for you - be kind to them, and to yourself! 😄

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                          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law

                          I have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.

                          I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?

                          I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.

                          I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.

                          I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.

                          I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.

                          Love is the law, love under will
                          Fraternally,
                          Frater Pramudita

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                          THE LEOPARD AND THE DEER

                          *The spots of the leopard are the sunlight in the
                            glade; pursue thou the deer stealthily at thy
                            pleasure.
                          The dappling of the deer is the sunlight in the glade;
                            concealed from the leopard do thou feed at thy
                            pleasure.
                          Resemble all that surroundeth thee; yet be Thyself
                            -and take thy pleasure among the living.
                          This is that which is written-Lurk!-in The Book
                            of The Law.*
                          
                                            COMMENTARY 
                          
                            19 is the last Trump, "The Sun', which is the
                          representative of god in the Macrocosm, as the Phallus
                          is in the Microcosm.
                            There is a certain universality and adaptability
                          among its secret power.  The chapter is taken from
                          Rudyard Kiplin's "Just So Stories".
                            The Master urges his disciples to a certain holy
                          stealth, a concealment of the real purpose of their lives;
                          in this way making the best of both worlds.  This counsels
                          a course of action hardly distinguishable from hypocrisy;
                          but the distinction is obvious to any clear thinker,
                          though not altogether so to Frater P.
                          
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