Kudry/Kudrie
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What is this?
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@Red Eagle of Death said
"What is this?"
Its from Parzival.
"In the second Act Parsifal wanders into the domain of Klingsor, a magician who is trying to corrupt the Knights of the Grail and who has stolen from them the spear used to pierce Jesus Christ during his crucifixion. There Parsifal meets Kundry, the slave of Klingsor, who attempts to seduce him. In resisting her, he destroys Klingsor, and recovers the Spear. In the third Act, Parsifal returns to the Grail Kingdom to heal Amfortas." -wiki
IAO131
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Crowley used Kundry in the context of a seductress that lures the Neophyte from the Path of Initiation ...it is arguable, though, that one's Kundry is an integral part of their Path, rather than a distraction from it.
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Yes, as stated, the character in Parsifal.
She represents more or less the Nephesh that has the capacity to derail the Ruach until the latter establishes right relationship with it.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"She represents more or less the Nephesh that has the capacity to derail the Ruach until the latter establishes right relationship with it."
Speaking as one who's Nephesh does have have the capacity to derail their Ruach (seemingly in direct proportion with the seriousness/intensity of my practice), I would be very appreciative if you would comment further on this Jim. I know repression is wrong, but establishing "right relationship" seems impossible.
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I'll try to answer specific questions. (If nothing else, this might assist you to focus the matter.)
There are entire training programs for getting to that point. No single path, but many related steps. For example, much of it tends to be resolved in the course of the A.'.A.'. 2=9 grade (one reason it's such a big issue for the 1=10!). It can also benefit from a year or so of excellent psychotherapy as a preliminary.
But perhaps you have some more specific questions?
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But perhaps you have some more specific questions?"
Ok, I'll put my cards on the table.
For the past few years I've been consistently and steadily working with the basics. LBRP, MP, and meditation. At times these practices have been very rewarding, but I get the feeling that somewhere along the way I missed the small print that reads:
WARNING! These practices may launch your sex drive into stratospheric levels.
I can't recall how long ago it was, but I remember someone else raising this exact same point and asking for advice. Your advice was basically, "you started this thing, so you've got to see it through to the end." I took that advice to heart and diligently ploughed on with the practices, hoping that I would somehow work my way through this problem. But (true to form
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Oh brave soul! Now You are entitled to fill your head with the intricate science of energy work! Behold! The microcosmic orbit - the balance of the back yang energy channel and the front yin channel! Use it wisely and behold the light shed over You!
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Yes, as stated, the character in Parsifal.
She represents more or less the Nephesh that has the capacity to derail the Ruach until the latter establishes right relationship with it."
I like that.
IAO131
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@Her said
"WARNING! These practices may launch your sex drive into stratospheric levels. "
I tend to think of it as increasing your drive to create. With that in mind, it would be good to channel some of that energy into something creative.
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Heru,
There are some tips I can pass along, but mostly there is a knack to acquire. I was assisted by any number of work shops, drops of information, one liners, instructors, and especially life esperience. In no particular order, here are some thoughts that come to mind:
*** Don't suppress! That pathologizes. You don't have to (or really want to) give expression to every impulse, but neither should you suppress or block. The key to that is: Make sure you continue to feel the energies, desires, sensations, and all the rest.
A lot of sexual behavior is a reflex to terminate extraordinary feelings. Even orgasm is much like a circuit breaker ("Enough already, throw the switch!"). You increase the capacity of your physical and subtle bodies (which includes all aspects of mind and emotion) to bear more if you feel without resistence the things moving through you. Don't terminate them. (E.g., it feels good to have an erection, so why do guys often hurry to make it go away? <g>)
** The psychological grounding for this approach to life is the understanding that just because you CAN and MAY do something, doesn't mean you HAVE to. Permission isn't a mandate. There is no real freedom in compulsion. One of my basic definitions of "adulthood" is that it's a stage wherein you have learned this principle.
One fun way to integrate this lesson is to play a couple of games that come on all Windows systems. One is Minesweeper - play it about a hundred times to totally integrate the lesson that just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you have to. (You'll win more if you understand it.) Then play Spider Solitaire - about 25 games with only one suit showing, then another 25 with two suits. You have much greater freedom and power with two suits, but most of the time, if you exercise it, you will cost yourself the game: you have to be attentive and selective.
** To get a really good understanding of the nature of this energy and its nature and implications, read Sexual Energy & Yoga by Elizabeth Haich.
** Also read Dion Fortune's The Esoteric Philosophy of Love & Marriage. Now, let me say in advance that the book will probably disgust you. This is the most moralistic book young Dion Fortune ever wrote, and it's rooted in Edwardian sexual repressiveness. It might be a worthy exercise to witness your emotional and (especially) physical reactions (where you feel tension or relaxation in different parts of your body, temperature changes localized, etc.) as you read it - a kind of morbid but useful self-examination. But my main reason for recommending it is that, buried in its bowels (along with what one usually finds in bowels) is one specific, practical technique that is one of the most powerful and important techniques I've ever learned. I leave it for you to find on your own. The technique is amazing and transformative, and addresses your question directly.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"She represents more or less the Nephesh that has the capacity to derail the Ruach until the latter establishes right relationship with it."
That's a great definition.
I sometimes wonder whether manic depression is the modern label for these Kundrie types.
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According to Liber LXV (III:4-16), Kundry has 3 manifestations: Than, Theli, & Lilith. What are the defining characteristics of these 3 aspects?
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According to the commentary, perhaps... but not according to LXV itself.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"According to the commentary, perhaps... but not according to LXV itself."
Maybe I should've said the language used in discussing Than, Theli, & Lilith in Liber LXV begs one to consider Kundry ...either way, is there any relation between this devious trio & Kundry?
729
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I'm not seeing it. The level seems utterly different (she being the Nephesh per se, they being ancient, unresolved, more primal instincts).
This isn't to say someone else couldn't find something meaningful to them in the matter.
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Are succubi/incubi manifetations of the Nephesh ordeal? I have experiences with them since long ago, but recently I have been visited nightly for quite some time which is unusual.
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@student666 said
"Are succubi/incubi manifetations of the Nephesh ordeal? I have experiences with them since long ago, but recently I have been visited nightly for quite some time which is unusual."
They're manifestations of Nephesh phenomena, yes; and therefore can be particular manifestations of "the" Nephesh ordeal.