Past lives and Karma
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneAlrah;
I understand what you're saying. And yes, if someone says they were Henry the Eighth, or Cleopatra, red flags go up. But again, this is a complex thing and there is no one-size-fits -all answer. I would think that, statistically, most of us would have had ordinary lives with alot of struggle and hardship.
I do believe that certain strong memories can carry over if karma has to be worked out. Whatever memories you, I, or others have are probably only there because of something that has to be looked at. Dion Fortune wrote about this in several of her short stories and novels. And of course, this presumes an openness to a spiritual life. It certainly isn't something that can be debated or explained rationally, so I don't even try. -
93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneWell, that's what makes the most sense to me. But yes, a Crowley wannabe would challenging-:)
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneYou met one of them too?
Btw sorry if my answer didn't make sense, I just went to the dentist this AM so I'll blame the novacaine. -
93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@Jim Eshelman said
"By making this conscious (and several years of work, and mindfulness about the incident at critical junctures), I was able to get past the specific barrier."
Can you describe the techniques you used to dissolve the block arising from a past life?
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@he atlas itch said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"By making this conscious (and several years of work, and mindfulness about the incident at critical junctures), I was able to get past the specific barrier."Can you describe the techniques you used to dissolve the block arising from a past life?"
I was wondering the same thing. I have a lot of karmic baggage myself.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneYes, I also would like to know. I am writing to get some things worked out, its a long process.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephonemy 2 cents is that consciousness unfolds and we're pretty much able to tap into a plethora of archetypes and experiences that life has experienced.
people generally misuse the term "karma" and other hindu concepts, which makes me wonder if reincarnation is the same as a past life experience, i think not... so its hard to pinpoint whats trying to be achieved when addressing the notions, in my case anyhoo.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@anistara said
"so its hard to pinpoint whats trying to be achieved when addressing the notions"
Karma is simply the idea of cause and effect. Something happens that leaves an emotional imprint that then affects the person as they continue to grow and evolve. Everybody tends to circle around some unresolved issues in their life be it abuse, co-dependency, issues of abandonment, self-worth, betrayal etc.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@he atlas itch said
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@anistara said
"so its hard to pinpoint whats trying to be achieved when addressing the notions"Karma is simply the idea of cause and effect. Something happens that leaves an emotional imprint that then affects the person as they continue to grow and evolve. Everybody tends to circle around some unresolved issues in their life be it abuse, co-dependency, issues of abandonment, self-worth, betrayal etc."
i disagree. i think thats a western idea put on an eastern philosophy. i don't think those issues really have a lot to do with karma in actuality. an example: i want to pick up a cup. i extend my arm and pick up the cup. that action is the karma. it's thought and action in that moment, not the accumulation thereof and its outcome.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone"
the atlas itch wrote:
Jim Eshelman wrote:
By making this conscious (and several years of work, and mindfulness about the incident at critical junctures), I was able to get past the specific barrier.Can you describe the techniques you used to dissolve the block arising from a past life?
I was wondering the same thing. I have a lot of karmic baggage myself."
just think backwards, Liber ThIShARB CMLXIII
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@anistara said
"i disagree. i think thats a western idea put on an eastern philosophy. i don't think those issues really have a lot to do with karma in actuality. an example: i want to pick up a cup. i extend my arm and pick up the cup. that action is the karma. it's thought and action in that moment, not the accumulation thereof and its outcome."
It’s correct that karma simply means “action”, but actions leave karmic traces that condition the mind, and from which future choices are made. The Buddhist term for the reactive mind is kunzhi namshe - and you might be surprised what accumulates there:
kunzhi namshe -- (tib: kun gzhi rnam shes, skrt: alaya vijnana) The kunzhi namshe is the basic consciousness of the individual. It is the "repository" or "storehouse" in which the karmic traces are stored, from which future, conditioned experience arises.
www.ligmincha.org/bon-buddhism/glossary-of-bon-buddhist-terms.html
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneI'm reviving this thread in the hopes that Jim will share some of the techniques he used in overcoming blocks from previous incarnations.
One block that I feel is hindering my progress, and which I suspect is linked to a previous incarnation, is an absolute fear of taking magickal oaths - and oaths in particular. I've had this dread ever since I can remember and long before I encountered Crowley and magick. I take the magickal oath very seriously, and have not broken the ones I've taken so far, but the dread exists nonetheless.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 Persephone@he atlas itch said
"I'm reviving this thread in the hopes that Jim will share some of the techniques he used in overcoming blocks from previous incarnations. "
Hard to generalize... but, basically: Confront them, stay conscious, let them devour you, consciously choose the experience.
"One block that I feel is hindering my progress, and which I suspect is linked to a previous incarnation, is an absolute fear of taking magical oaths - and oaths in particular. I've had this dread ever since I can remember and long before I encountered Crowley and magick. I take the magical oath very seriously, and have not broken the ones I've taken so far, but the dread exists nonetheless."
If something isn't going to cause you harm (in the conventional sense of that phrase), then open yourself to doing it. Don't stick your hand in open fire, don't drink poison, don't stand on the train tracks until the train runs you over - but, for other kinds of things, just pass through it - consciously, vulnerably, surrenderingly.
Another thing you can do is go through this in imagination in a deep meditative state. It is highly likely that, in a prior life, you took such an oath and either (1) the circumstances were arranged to be a frightening event or (2) you paid horribly for it. Then isn't now. But stream of consciousness in the meditation, as you (over and over again if necessary) see yourself going through this kind of event will give you the feeling, if not the actual facts, of the experience.
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93, This is an area that isn't written or talked about much, probably because it is entirely personal. I have known some Thelemites who do not believe in reincarnation, my questions are directed to those who do.
Has anyone found that by examining their past lives they have solved a deep-seated problem and then were able to move on in their magical Work much easier? Has anyone hit a dead end and not been able to resolve something that you believe to be karmic?
I don't expect you to write about very personal issues, but in general, does this ring a bell with anyone? For myself, I can say that it took years to solve something, and it was a very profound experience when I did, although some parts were not pleasant. Also I found that it helped very much to have at least one person who will listen objectively and be supportive.
In the last few months I have been reading Dion Fortune, which I mentioned in other posts. I find that she has a lot of good information on these issues, both in her novels and some of her non-fiction books.
93 93/93 PersephoneThanks for those tips.