Evaluating Dream & Vision official-symbols
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93 and hello,
I work with a lot of... "identities." Most those I meditate with consciously also work with me in dreams.
Much of the time I strain to clearly-grok or to 'translate' a name into english. There are 'depths' of language or sound that english sucks for. (Maybe all languages do. It feels more 3D than sound can cover.)
But sometimes I am given a name that is really IS in english letters, and is totally clear so I know I'm not screwing it up.
I am not a QBL ist, and I generally have avoided intellectual study about much of my inner work so far. This is for two powerful reasons:
First, I'm too much left-brain so to speak, and have a difficult time validating myself and allowing the suspension of disbelief necessary to let most of this happen in the first place (or remember it more than 20 seconds later). I doubt myself, the information, the entities, I find my mind filters it, distorts it, and is fully screwed up by expectations. Ignorance really is bliss in my case since it allows "spontaneous" information that I validate because I know it's not just something subconsciously regurgitated or made up as self-entertainment based on what I expect.
Second, my brain LOVES intellectualism. Gematria, being a form of math, I immediately realized in 1994 would (and did) suck me completely into a world where rather than 'feeling' and 'being' and 'living' and 'experiencing', I was in the armchair 'thinking about' doing those things and counting and multiplying and so on. I admire the hell out of people that can really focus on all this stuff and keep it in balanced moderation. I don't have much in the way of 'middle-ground' in some areas of my life and apparently this (and sex, LOL) is one of them.
So on the bright side, totally abandoning my early, barely-begun intellectual study of QBL topics allowed me a path I could not have followed otherwise.
On the down side though, now I am beginning to feel like, for the things I am working on -- only those, not "the entire topic", just for whatever comes up naturally -- it would sure be nice to have a CLUE.
Well it isn't just that. I feel like it's getting to the point where I really need to be a lot more organized about all this, bring some structure to my magickal journaling and start a sort of... correspondence table you might say, of official-symbols (I mean of the sort of things you would find in 777, as opposed to more fluid dream symbols that might be more unique to the individual).
For example, in what I call 'the Four' (I am one of four elements of soul that creates a larger single identity. I think the other 3 are related to the top spheres on the tree of life, but I don't know much about that.), there are various symbols. The Senior is in black and red and rectangle. I googled that but didn't learn a good deal.
Sometimes I see symbols that I can't find in any of the more obvious alphabets, runes, etc. What I call 'the Aeons' (there are 12 elements of soul that compose me) have some of this as well. And the occasional offbeat out of the blue identity tends to as well. It's like they have a language and I have one but we don't really meet in the middle. When all else fails they just shower me with numbers.
(I call everything an 'identity' -- as it has no bias toward the type of entity or source of energy or intent.)
I feel if I'm working with identity X and they make it clear that a certain color, shape, symbol, number, animal(etc.), or group of letters in a name, is what they are representing, I feel as part of my respect and honor for their work with me, I should make a little effort to use that information to understand them better.
Well and I sometimes get the feeling from my mate/twin (3rd of 4) that I need to quit whining and expecting everything handed me by the Four just for asking, and work a little harder on fathoming things myself, and bringing recognition of that into my reality (eg surrounding myself with symbols that are of the energy I want to focus on).
So just recently I have begun googling a few things in response to that (that is how I found this forum). Trying to maintain a middle ground of sincerely trying to better understand 'someone I meet' internally, but not just falling face-first into the gigantic topic of "everything QBL" isn't easy.
So far -- early into this effort -- I find three problems:
- Gematria is based in hebrew and I get english letters. I do see hebrew sometimes esp. in dreams but so far I'm not getting names in it. I am not sure if there is english form that is legitimate compared to hebrew. Is there any way to evaluate a set of english letters for "insight" of the cerebral kind?
Here's a couple examples:
OLIPHANT (that is a 'role' not just a name by the way)
ACKRCK (yes I know. Missing a few vowels in that one! lol)Is it possible (for the 2nd one) that chakras as identities may have names?
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In terms of gematria, I can look up a given number I am given for something, but every number has so many different meanings all over the map, how does this not get relegated to the world of newspaper astrology I wonder, it seems like one could find anything in any number. ("All numbers are infinite" takes on new less-cosmic meaning there...)
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Trying to find stuff about some symbols, like colors, is just brain numbing. I mean any given color has a zillion diff alleged meanings depending on which "scale" it's in. How the heck do you know which scale you should be looking in?! Not to mention there are other categories of colors apparently. I know some colors based on years of work with them for "what they mean to me" as symbols (colors that represent certain types of fear, certain types of energetic repression, certain chakras esp. the fierce cobalt, etc.). But a little like the numbers issue, it seems there is such a ridiculous array of meaning that every one of them is assigned to, that researching it seems pointless.
For people who have been doing this kind of 'correspondences' study, do you have any feedback on the above points? I'd appreciate any advice or insight you may have.
93 93/93,
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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
I really think you need to take a specific example and focus on it alone. Personally I think some dreams are just random junk, but others are teaching dreams. If you are having a word or idea that sticks in your head like "Oliphant or ACKRCK" I consider these souveniers. Because they come from a higher vibratory nature they, of course, cannot parallel language.
Angels can impregnante One word with more values and meanings than can be contained in any book ever written. Really, it is your job to validate it and discern how it really affects your life. Choose your framework as you will.
Equilibrium is the basis of the Work.93 93/93
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93, and thank you for your time.
"I really think you need to take a specific example and focus on it alone."
The difference is that I was not asking someone else for an answer to what a given thing means for me. Only I can come up with that, I assume. And that is likely what would have been the response had I done that. I gave a couple things as examples only.
I was asking for a pointer to one or more "systems of evaluation" within the larger (huge) field of those, for cerebral/academic review of this kind of stuff, in particular how to attribute color 'scale' and dealing with names provided me (or translated by me internally at the time) in english letters.
I can get information 'from inside' of course, but I have an intellectual mind for a reason and I'd like to start using it more in conjunction with my esoteric line of inquiry. My question isn't mystical, it's practical.
"If you are having a word or idea that sticks in your head like "Oliphant or ACKRCK" I consider these souveniers. Because they come from a higher vibratory nature they, of course, cannot parallel language."
I agree they contain more. But if an entity specifically gives me this AS a name (and a 'role' in the first case), then it functions in that way for me, since they've sometimes made it clear they're giving it to me in my letters to be sure I know and remember it.
Hmmn. Maybe I have simply overestimated occult magick, it occurs to me. I thought this was a straightforward question, though it might have a more complex answer, because it seems to me that magick is filled with learning "the names of things", from entities to aethyrs, "in order to understand more about them."
The overall topic of magick and its various roots is gigantic and would take lifetimes. There must be some halfway intelligent system of research that allows one to take something like "a name provided *" or "a color" and evaluate it intellectually according to one or more systems.
I am asking for a pointer to (a) those systems and (b) how to put it in context in those systems (eg how to know which color 'scale' would be applicable).
"Angels can impregnante One word with more values and meanings than can be contained in any book ever written."
Yeah, that's a given. Fortunately I'm not asking to be given all possible knowledge about a personal symbol in a forum post.
"Really, it is your job to validate it and discern how it really affects your life. Choose your framework as you will. "
Thank you. For the record, that sounds pretty and it's a handy answer for so much, but it was inapplicable to the question I asked.
I did not ask for others to validate, nor discern, how something personally affects my life. And of course everything is my own choice.
My question is more along the lines of how to use the existing library or toolset, and less along the lines of how to find enlightenment.
I can handle the internal stuff just fine; it's the mundane intellectual stuff I have kept myself away from until now, and would like to pursue a little more of. Not as a primary form of inquiry because this is based on something more integral for me, but as an auxilliary to my practices.
But, perhaps this is the wrong venue for the question. Thank you, though.
93 93/93,
RC -
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be the Whole of the Law.
I do believe that the King Scale of colour is used as a pre-eminent magickal toolset within this system. Especially within astrological workings.
Love is the Law, Love under Will