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    Jim Eshelman
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    Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

    That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

    A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

    BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

    Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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      Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

      That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

      A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

      BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

      Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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      Avshalom Binyamin
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      Just because one proposes the idea that reincarnation is possible, doesn't mean that everyone alive today had a previous life.

      Other hypotheses: (1) all spirits existed together since the 'beginning', but a varying percentage are incarnated at any given time. It's possible that a spirit never incarnated until now. (2) new spirits are being created or born, and having their first incarnation. (3) that reincarnation is not a 'pure' process, and several people can die, and be 'split' or 'aggregated' into several people in any number of permutations.

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        Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

        That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

        A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

        BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

        Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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        Edward Mason
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        93,
        JAE wrote:

        "A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. "

        So, this would involve repetition of ideas? Insistence on one standard perception of reality, and denigrating others? An imbalance between deep insight in some areas and utter bafflement in others? Or none of the above?

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          Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

          That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

          A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

          BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

          Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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          Avshalom Binyamin
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          interesting... the Ainu people of Japan carried a similar bear festival into modern time... I wonder if they have the same origin as the Nivkh ceremony.

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            Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

            That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

            A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

            BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

            Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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            Frater SOL
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            Rick Strassman, M.D., in his book DMT: The Spirit Molucule, gives the argument that, based on a Mahayana tradition (IIRC), souls reincarnate after a period of around 49 days. He reinforces this argument with the claim that the pineal gland, along with the genitals, forms around that same amount of time.

            He goes on to suggest that endogenous DMT production (DMT is produced from the pineal gland) is the catalyst for a soul's entry into & exit from their vessel of incarnation.

            True or not, its an interesting argument! 😀

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              Animals become increasingly human by various ways probably; but one way that is know is that they interact with humans. Domesticated animals are the best example of this. Similarly, other species that are nearly human, such as other primates etc.

              That is, they incorporate parts of the pentagram into themselves while living, so to speak. We all do variations on this by the relationships that we have, incorporating aspects of those with whom we are intimate on various levels.

              A few times in my life I've met someone who, by every evidence, hadn't had a human life before. They had dominate marks of the elemental. (Sometimes it's easy to mistake the very young soul of this sort for a very old one - superficially they are much the same. On closer examination, though, it becomes more evident that they haven't yet fully grown into the human state, rather than that they are starting to outgrow it.)

              BTW I think there is another basis for the increased population: There is evidence that time between lives is shrinking. Historic accounts (everything from Edgar Cayce forward through the good case documentations of the '70s and '80s) tended to average a minimum of about 70 years, and sometimes much longer, between incarnations. But in the last decade, there have been more credible reports of very short reincarnation cycles. This is historically normally among certain types of the highly evolved - most 7=4s, boddhisattvas of various traditions, etc. - but not historically typical of people overall. I think some sizeable (perhaps still minority?) portion are reincarnating in as little as 10 years.

              Why? Possibly it's just the availability of more bodies to inhabit. But I also think that it's because we are living in a time of genuine acceleration of transformation, and increasing processing of life experiences while living instead of only after death. Increased lifespan adds to this also - the advanced years give more time for reflection and learning from the experiences of incarnation.

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              I have heard that the three animals likeliest to become human are the lion, the monkey, and the cow. Problem is--people become animals and even lower life forms like insects. "The demoniac I put in lower and lower forms of life so that they can never approach Me." (Sri Krsna)

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