"Poverty is a state of consciousness"
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"(sympathy empathy or a rose by any other name) is a dangerous game"this much, yes ( not the "even the Masters" part.... I do not think I would say "even" the Masters...)
Sympathy ( as in symbiotic... yes... that becomes dangerous for the neophytes)
I had hoped this wouldn't devolve into a game of semantics....
sympathy with a lower state of consciousness is not a good thing.
for those ready to exercise a significant degree of self discipline a hand up is a small miracle worthy of the effort on either end."
Okay. I'm cool with your explanations so far. Excuse me if this seems unwarranted, but to explain my paraphrasing I went and found the exact quote.
"The True Initiate and accomplished Magician recognizes the value of feeling and emotion. These are not to be played with in childish fashion. Sympathy is known to be not just a wasted emotion but a dangerous game to play as well since elements of the target population in these negative states can be absorbed by those indulging in 'sympathy'.
The Masters are however deeply compassionate towards the plight of the ignorant masses of humanity."
So what you actually said was that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)....recognizes....Sympathy....*...not just a wasted emotion but a dangerous game.
I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think in agreement with regarding this notion of fostering Love in this World.
But you know what, Labyrinthus? And I don't want to say this to offend or suggest that one of us is superior or inferior... but all in all, all that above there said... knowing now that I think I know what you think...."how does that make you feel?"
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So, in waiting to see if there's any reply, back to the original thread...
Poverty is a state of consciousness. So is sickness, mastery, depression, and anything else you want to label. The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?
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@Takamba said
"that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)"
no. "True Initiate" as opposed to the 'false initiate' (don't break it up inbetween).
I have seen things...
I think I know the difference. But it aint for me to say outloud beyond a certain point.
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)"no. "True Initiate" as opposed to the 'false initiate' (don't break it up inbetween).
I have seen things...
I think I know the difference. But it aint for me to say outloud beyond a certain point."
@Labyrinthus said
"I had hoped this wouldn't devolve into a game of semantics...."
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)"no. "True Initiate" as opposed to the 'false initiate' (don't break it up inbetween).
I have seen things...
I think I know the difference. But it aint for me to say outloud beyond a certain point."
Divide it as you will or as you wont. I didn't mean any different.
Yes "true initiate" as opposed to "false initiate" is what I thought you meant - but you have still not addressed the full meaning of my post
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@Takamba said
"The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?"
Not only should I not but it cannot be done... consciousness cannot be raised in another -- it must be done from within according to the individual effort.
Those who pretend to be able to raise the consciousness of another are kidding themselves.
The true Initiate only raises his own consciousness and if others in his sphere of influence are the beneficiaries by virtue of resonant affinity so be it.
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Thought, think, thunk, thou, thick, thuk. Is there not more than your rational self?
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?"Not only should I not but it cannot be done... consciousness cannot be raised in another -- it must be done from within according to the individual effort.
Those who pretend to be able to raise the consciousness of another are kidding themselves.
The true Initiate only raises his own consciousness and if others in his sphere of influence are the beneficiaries by virtue of resonant affinity so be it."
So the answer to my question, as you see it, is to raise your own consciousness and thus influence who are within your sphere of influence? Good answer. Now what?
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@Takamba said
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I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
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@Takamba said
"I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
"Sounds like you fear union of any sort. By "we" I meant the simple "we" that several of us unrelated posters in this thread have agreed that there is a certain kind of consciousness about "the other" that we (again, a simple reference to I think three of us are represented) all agreed (including you) was a decent way to believe.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
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@Takamba said
"I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
"And now that I consider it a moment longer, I'd rather say "I" is the lowest state of consciousness.
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This just might make you think (think, thunk, thuuu) about your "herd mentality" theories
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM
Just maybe.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
"what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me. "
Yeah...that....
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you see... by castrating the Hadit we are actually HONORING the hadit by recognizing his very existence in the first place with the very act of castration...
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@Labyrinthus said
"you see... by castrating the Hadit we are actually HONORING the hadit by recognizing his very existence in the first place with the very act of castration...
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get it?"Strange concepts
Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? I feel sorry for your female partners. If you do indeed feel castrated, I guess I should feel bad in telling you - size does really matter.
Oh here's something for you and your "friends"
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "
No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time....
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time...."
Now you are playing the same game you (and your friends) have always in the end turned to playing on this forum, and in the parlance of Twitter - you have become unfollowed.
Good night, and good luck.
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@Takamba said
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time...."
Now you are playing the same game you (and your friends) have always in the end turned to playing on this forum, and in the parlance of Twitter - you have become unfollowed.
Good night, and good luck."
and you and your 'friends'[to sink to your level] have decidedly driven this thread off topic from poverty is a state of consciousness into an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again.
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Daath is Daath and Malkuth is Malkuth.
un-Follow that if it suits you.
For those who have not sufficiently explored either it could be quite the quandary
Denial leads to problems. Deep denial leads to big problems.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
"and you and your 'friends'[to sink to your level] have decidedly driven this thread off topic from poverty is a state of consciousness into an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again"
** an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again**
an astute observation.
What was that?!
It sounded like Crowley turning in his grave...
but it is late and I am tired too...maybe we'll pick it up in the morning....