"Poverty is a state of consciousness"
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)"no. "True Initiate" as opposed to the 'false initiate' (don't break it up inbetween).
I have seen things...
I think I know the difference. But it aint for me to say outloud beyond a certain point."
@Labyrinthus said
"I had hoped this wouldn't devolve into a game of semantics...."
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"that The True (as opposed to the false) Initiate (as opposed to the non-initiate)"no. "True Initiate" as opposed to the 'false initiate' (don't break it up inbetween).
I have seen things...
I think I know the difference. But it aint for me to say outloud beyond a certain point."
Divide it as you will or as you wont. I didn't mean any different.
Yes "true initiate" as opposed to "false initiate" is what I thought you meant - but you have still not addressed the full meaning of my post
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@Takamba said
"The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?"
Not only should I not but it cannot be done... consciousness cannot be raised in another -- it must be done from within according to the individual effort.
Those who pretend to be able to raise the consciousness of another are kidding themselves.
The true Initiate only raises his own consciousness and if others in his sphere of influence are the beneficiaries by virtue of resonant affinity so be it.
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Thought, think, thunk, thou, thick, thuk. Is there not more than your rational self?
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?"Not only should I not but it cannot be done... consciousness cannot be raised in another -- it must be done from within according to the individual effort.
Those who pretend to be able to raise the consciousness of another are kidding themselves.
The true Initiate only raises his own consciousness and if others in his sphere of influence are the beneficiaries by virtue of resonant affinity so be it."
So the answer to my question, as you see it, is to raise your own consciousness and thus influence who are within your sphere of influence? Good answer. Now what?
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@Takamba said
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I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
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@Takamba said
"I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
"Sounds like you fear union of any sort. By "we" I meant the simple "we" that several of us unrelated posters in this thread have agreed that there is a certain kind of consciousness about "the other" that we (again, a simple reference to I think three of us are represented) all agreed (including you) was a decent way to believe.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
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@Takamba said
"I think the language was a dangerous game there but I think now that you think in agreement to what we all want you to think .""
what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me.
"And now that I consider it a moment longer, I'd rather say "I" is the lowest state of consciousness.
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This just might make you think (think, thunk, thuuu) about your "herd mentality" theories
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM
Just maybe.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
"what is this 'we' all want business, seems like a lower state of consciousness to me. "
Yeah...that....
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you see... by castrating the Hadit we are actually HONORING the hadit by recognizing his very existence in the first place with the very act of castration...
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@Labyrinthus said
"you see... by castrating the Hadit we are actually HONORING the hadit by recognizing his very existence in the first place with the very act of castration...
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get it?"Strange concepts
Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? I feel sorry for your female partners. If you do indeed feel castrated, I guess I should feel bad in telling you - size does really matter.
Oh here's something for you and your "friends"
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "
No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time....
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time...."
Now you are playing the same game you (and your friends) have always in the end turned to playing on this forum, and in the parlance of Twitter - you have become unfollowed.
Good night, and good luck.
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@Takamba said
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@Labyrinthus said
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@Takamba said
"Castration? Is that your understanding of the Union? "No.
Once again, that is NOT what I said.
So much Deception... So much Time...."
Now you are playing the same game you (and your friends) have always in the end turned to playing on this forum, and in the parlance of Twitter - you have become unfollowed.
Good night, and good luck."
and you and your 'friends'[to sink to your level] have decidedly driven this thread off topic from poverty is a state of consciousness into an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again.
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Daath is Daath and Malkuth is Malkuth.
un-Follow that if it suits you.
For those who have not sufficiently explored either it could be quite the quandary
Denial leads to problems. Deep denial leads to big problems.
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@_aLL_seEing_eYe_ said
"and you and your 'friends'[to sink to your level] have decidedly driven this thread off topic from poverty is a state of consciousness into an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again"
** an us vs you debate/ hadit vs nuit debate once again**
an astute observation.
What was that?!
It sounded like Crowley turning in his grave...
but it is late and I am tired too...maybe we'll pick it up in the morning....
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@Takamba said
"So, in waiting to see if there's any reply, back to the original thread...
Poverty is a state of consciousness. So is sickness, mastery, depression, and anything else you want to label. The question is, how do you raise consciousness to correct any imbalances - or, do you feel you should not?"
I think this seems to be the point before the thread was derailed; and a very good question at that , another being where does poverty or contrarily material wealth fall on the tree of life??
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It is you and your mental complexes that turned it into something. I was having a discussion, one which I merely expressed how I feel and go to things - you two, like sock puppets in a coordinated charade - turned it into a debate and and an "us" versus "we" thing.
As long as you refuse to hear, you will not find information useful for your growth.
How you hear "us" vs "we" in any thing you say is fascinating (and I use that word in its most occult sense). You have in your imaginations labeled some of "us" in this forum "locals". If you were observant, you'd note that I and you have an equal amount of experience in this forum. So you can't go around accusing me of being a "local" any more than yourself. And Jim is not some one I know any better than you know him. I'm not personally associated with any one that I am aware of in this forum. I've never sipped coffee with, drank a beer with, or even passed in a hallway any person who's language appears on your screens here. So there is no all powerful collective "WE" to gang up on you with. We is a word in the English language that basically means there's some semblance of a collective agreement among a community (of any size and any level of solidarity). But to you the word sounds like an assault on your single individuality and as such you pick up arms and begin the fight the second the word is used in conjunction with something you either do no or wish not to understand - community.
You can take arms against the community if you wish. I assure you, the world around you has more guns, hammers, forks and knives than you can dodge. You will have to face facts that you are part of something other than just little ol' individual hadith-smokin' you, or you will die. You will have to join something in order to allow the individual to continue to survive.
I think what has been pointed out to you by several people who have age and experience (not to get all ageism on you, but age and experience can equate to offering you a smoother lesson plan in your life) is that you just aren't balancing out the full equation. It is not a Hadith versus Nvith world (unless you're 24 years old and think you're in a movie), it's a Had meets Nu, Nu falls in love, Had gets a job, and along comes baby world.
Observe this from chapter two of the Book of the Law:
18. These are dead, these fellows; they feel not. We are not for the poor and sad: the lords of the earth are our kinsfolk.
19. Is a God to live in a dog? No! but the highest are of us. They shall rejoice, our chosen: who sorroweth is not of us.
20. Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of usNow it would seem to me that this section has gotten a few of you into a very good frame of mind about notions like sympathy and charity.This is the very Hadit language that others are observing from you, and you do it quite well. But notice a few things - lots of use of the word "us" there. And what if you ... oh ... just for a minute or two.. pretended it meant something other that what you've come to think it means.... what if it isn't saying "down with the wretched, do not feed the animals" as you have come to enjoy its meaning, what if it says "who sorroweth is not of us. Beauty and strength, leaping laughter and delicious languor, force and fire, are of us" because we will eliminate those things. What if not only could you hear the Hadit equation when you read your books with your tongues and minds, but what if you could hear the other half of the equation as well?
You can't accuse me of being involved in creating an argumentative space when as page one turned into page two, I came in and basically asked a question of perspective and generosity and every person participating in this thread (including you!) except for one oil painting agreed that my sentiment "rocked" so to speak. But then, just a simple use of the word "we" and the lunatics came out of you.
It's not an us versus them world unless you really really really want that to be. Some day you'll look back on life and remember how much harder than it had to be you made it. Trust me, I have a feeling every one of us over thirty types will tell you that we can do that.