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Ipsissimus [One Star in Sight]

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Initiation
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    veritas_in_nox
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    I was reading One Star in Sight and noticed this statement about the Ipsissimus:

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    The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished; as it is written “beyond the Word and the Fool, yea, beyond the Word and the Fool.”

    It's mainly the 'no will in any direction' bit that gets me, for obvious reasons. Seems a bit of a step back. Can someone explain this to me at all?

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    An attempt: Since Kether is above Chokmah, which the Will is associated with, I presume the Ipsissimus can say that he has (i.e. is) no Will in any direction. He is the union of self and not-self, the union of the manifest and unmanifest; what could he possibly "do" at that point, being the union of "is" and "is not?"

    I presume that other parts of existence associated with the Magus everyone else sees (the veil of the Ipsissimus) are associated with a Will, but secretly, this Ipsissimus, veiled within a Magus, knows it is all a "cosmic joke."

    Just guesses.

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @veritas_in_nox said

    "I was reading One Star in Sight and noticed this statement about the Ipsissimus:

    @Aleister Crowley said

    "The Ipsissimus has no relation as such with any Being: He has no will in any direction, and no Consciousness of any kind involving duality, for in Him all is accomplished; as it is written “beyond the Word and the Fool, yea, beyond the Word and the Fool.”"

    It's mainly the 'no will in any direction' bit that gets me, for obvious reasons. Seems a bit of a step back. Can someone explain this to me at all?"

    In a sense, all initiation is "a step back" if, by that, you mean "a step deeper."

    This is a very good description of Kether consciousness. The idea of Will (and, in fact, any distinctive motion or other characteristic) doesn't manifest until Chokmah. Kether is undifferentiated Being - no characteristic, etc.

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    So the reason for finding one's True Will is so that one can progress beyond it?

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    @veritas_in_nox said

    "So the reason for finding one's True Will is so that one can progress beyond it?"

    Ultimately, that would be the reason for finding anything. "I know thee, and I pass thee by... for more than thou am I."

    The Kether idea is too pure to be expressed. Being is too pure to be expressed. The first, most subtle expressibility is when it moves, and that motion, or first derivative, of being is will.

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