The Four Worlds
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93, Jim,
Reading it once as a consumer and not an editor, I liked it and think it will especially help those relatively new to the subject.
No criticisms here.
93s,
Br C
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Thanks, C.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Though a more extreme and lengthy rewrite, what do you think of taking the second paragraph down this road?
The names of these Worlds trace to Isaiah 43:7, where God (YHVH) is credited as saying, “All that is called in my Name: for to my Glory I have created it (BRAThYV), I have formed it (YTzRThYV), and I have made it (OShYThYV).” Thus, the final three of the four Worlds (expressed in the letters of the Divine Name YHVH, and beginning with the densest) are titled OShYH, Assiah, “action or making;” YTzRH, Yetzirah, “formation;” and BRYAH, Briah, “creation” (which essentially means “conceiving”). The fourth world, Atziluth, is the plane of the creator."
One minor point, but it is a complicated subject... You begin with "the final three of the four Worlds," as if Atziluth were numbered first, but then when you list them, you begin again from the opposite direction, listing the "densest" first and moving to Atziluth.
It would aid clarity if you kept the same direction the whole way through. That's the only thing I can think of. Clear and compact.
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Good catch. Thanks. (That's what happens when I copy and paste from another writing of mine written from the opposite side of the room.)
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Well that certainly cleared up alot of things for me:)
I did get slightly muddled at the second paragraph, I like the rewrite you followed up with, that cleared it up for me.I realize it is just an overview, but I thought a few more adjectives could add to its clarity, esp for World of Assiah. The word actual seems to need back up to me, I see material, and physical. Is it the world of tangible matter? Is that where the other worlds can materialize?
As someone who has no real understanding of this subject I found your intro very helpful, but I did also wonder why do you divide into four worlds? Is this in an attempt to understand and gain mastery of? How does seeing these four worlds aid us? Can these four worlds be parralled to humanities overall development, or of a humans physcial developement? How do these worlds help us relate to the Tree?
just some extra question.
Thank you very much for sharing this BTW, I found it very interesting and helpful:)
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@Veronica said
"Is it the world of tangible matter?"
That's a complicated question. Let's break it down.
Mostly, tangible is a functional synonym for material, actual, and substantial. To the extent that it can be distinguished from them, it's particular meaning is to indicate that something can be *touched* (Lat. tangere, "to touch"). The problem is that one can touch, and be touched by, things on other planes when one is also there, e.g., your astral body can touch astral objects, and all sorts of Yetziratic things can touch and move you.
I think I also managed to about using "substance" or "substantial," since all of the worlds have some kind of substance composing them. The same criticism can be leveled at "material," since all levels are formed of some kind of matter, some sort of mother-substance... but the conventional meaning of "material" is so engrained that I thought it safe enough.
"Is that where the other worlds can materialize?"
Yes. - For the short introduction, that line of discussion would introduce some problems, so I've scooted around it. In particular, that "coming into being of the world" would warrant discussing the planes from top down. I think it's important, in this book, to discuss them bottom-up because (1) that's the sequence that unfolds in the 30 Aethyrs and (2) the main point I want to get clear enough in the Intro is the relationship of these to the Path of Initiation. So, the bottom-up "continuing unveiling of new discovery" angle is more fruitful than the tom-down "here is how reality as we know it is created, formed, and made."
"As someone who has no real understanding of this subject I found your intro very helpful, but I did also wonder why do you divide into four worlds?"
I didn't come up with it. Kabbalists did that over a millennium ago.
"How does seeing these four worlds aid us?"
So far as the subject relates to the present book, the knowledge enables one to better understand the contents of the book. Please remember, the goal isn't to explore the Four Worlds per se, but to make the names and basic ideas available to readers of the book.
Similarly, this will be followed by about a page and a half on the 10 sephiroth, a couple of pages on the Hebrew letters and the Paths on the Tree, etc. In no sense exhaustive, and (so far as I can manage) in no way digging into the whole history and larger metaphysic of the thing. When one or more large books could be (and have been) written on the sephiroth alone, a page and a half is hardly exhaustive <g> - it's just "Qabalists have these 10 ideas blah blah, here are their names and their basic natures. Probably a whopping three lines on each
"Can these four worlds be parralled to humanities overall development, or of a humans physcial developement?"
The latter all takes places within Assiah (except to the extent that all creation, formation, and making-doing manifests through the planes). Again, though, that's the top-down "history of reality" angle and not the topic of the book.
(Wow, you're all making pretty clear that a book only on the Four Worlds would be worthwhile for someone to write.)
"How do these worlds help us relate to the Tree?"
At the point they are introduced, there hasn't been any mention of the Tree of Life. These are the starting point, and the Tree a subset of them. The main point will be made that the entire Tree exists in all four Worlds. To a very great extent, the entire rest of the book is a demonstration of how the Tree unfolds upward and inward within these Worlds.
"just some extra question."
And very good ones. You are all helping me better understand the mind of my audience. I won't be able to address much of this without diverging considerably from the subject matter of the book, but I'm certain these questions will affect how my thoughts develop in writing the Introduction overall.
"Thank you very much for sharing this BTW, I found it very interesting and helpful:)"
You're very welcome. I hoped I'd meet a couple of useful goals with one post.
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@Alrah said
"Just one question... what makes the higher worlds 'high, and lower worlds 'low'? I'm sure some of the more well read people on eastern philosophy coming into the subject would want to know that, as the eastern schools do away the hierarchy."
The most honest answer is: Convention. The history of it, I'm sure, is as simple as "God is up, Earth is down."
In modern times we could address it in terms of vibratory rates. "Higher" means "higher rate of vibration." This matches all observations I can think of and, in particular, the more-vs.-less rarified scale.
There is also the standard occult teaching that by "higher" we mean "inner," and by "lower" we mean "outer."
"there is currenly no argument that can shore up the four worlds hierarchy except for: 'this is the way it is', which just looks like the usual excuse for any hierarchy on earth"
First, I'm not anti-hierarchical as you appear to be. I see these quite pointedly as hierarchical. Given all the space and time in the world, I would persist in describing this hierachy of worlds in heriarchical terms. (And FWIW a majority of Eastern schools, especially those in India would be rather shocked to hear that they've done away with hierarchy.)
But in this book in particular, "this is the way it is [traditionally talked about]" is exactly the argument that applies. Remember, this Introduction is not the body of the book. It is substantially an introducing of the established language - almost a verbose selective glossary. It isn't the place to rewrite the language but, rather, to empower people to understand the existing language.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Alrah said
"Just one question... what makes the higher worlds 'high, and lower worlds 'low'? I'm sure some of the more well read people on eastern philosophy coming into the subject would want to know that, as the eastern schools do away the hierarchy."The most honest answer is: Convention. The history of it, I'm sure, is as simple as "God is up, Earth is down."
In modern times we could address it in terms of vibratory rates. "Higher" means "higher rate of vibration." This matches all observations I can think of and, in particular, the more-vs.-less rarified scale.
There is also the standard occult teaching that by "higher" we mean "inner," and by "lower" we mean "outer." "
and I would add ''higher'' means - more abstract = 'closer' to One (or None, if you will) in conceptual qabalistic sense, while ''lower'' means - 'closer' to Many (or Ten, if we take the diagram of the Tree as basis for discuson).
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Thank you very much for this."
No, thank *you *for that clear explanation. I learned something new..
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"The three densest of these worlds have Hebrew names that mean “making,” which emerges from “forming,” which in turn comes from “creating” (which essentially means “conceiving”). The fourth world is the plane of the creator."
Been pondering something along these lines if you're still interested in losing the technical reference to Isaiah...
"The densest of these worlds has a Hebrew name that means "making." This world has its source in the more subtle world of "forming," which in turn derives from the still more subtle world of "creating." The world of "creating" (which essentially means "conceiving") emerges from the fourth and highest world, that of pure spiritual essense, or the plane of the creator. "
Just fiddling with it for clarity.
Peace.
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Thanks for the fiddling. I'll roll that over in my head. (Probably while tasting my way through Napa next weekend. Inspiration is a good thing.
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wow...ur clarity is amazing:)