25 May - (Air) Liber LXV, 2:35=36
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35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys.
He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! and their mockery shall ring round the world.
36. But the Master shall have had his reward.
The laughter of the mockers shall be a ripple in the hair of the Beloved One. -
35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys.
He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! and their mockery shall ring round the world.
36. But the Master shall have had his reward.
The laughter of the mockers shall be a ripple in the hair of the Beloved One.Here is the utter disconnect between inner and outer experience—35 does not agree with 36!
...conditional reality that is created out of a consensus, and one that isn't—rogue.Does 36's apparent isolation increase or diminish its authority, and in whose eyes? How do I judge this? In all honesty, from where I stand, how can I be anything other than unhappy with this disconnect?
Love and Will
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"They" shall say my Will is not Free... I shall understand my Will to be Fate.
also I would like to quote some Childish Gambino
"But I'm happy that that sh!t happened to me
Cause it taught me most important is to do me
Cause everybody hates you till they love you
Facebook niggas same niggas that would shove you
Cause nobody was jocking my style
I had a high voice, they called me faggot eight mile
So I stopped writing for a very long time
Thinkin' that a nigga wasn't made to bust rhymes
And this next part, sounds like nonsense
But I swear to God, Tina Fey gave me confidence
Taught me everything that is good comes from honesty
Everybody's got a voice, you just gotta follow it" -
@RobertAllen said
"**35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys.
He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! and their mockery shall ring round the world.- But the Master shall have had his reward.
The laughter of the mockers shall be a ripple in the hair of the Beloved One.**
Here is the utter disconnect between inner and outer experience—35 does not agree with 36!
...conditional reality that is created out of a consensus, and one that isn't—rogue."I see it differently (i.e., I think it's different <g>). They are the same story. (I'm speaking analytically mostly.) Verse 35 is the p.o.v. of "the little crazy boys," which I take to be the rattle-trap Ruach, the "multiple crazy voices" - if there is a disconnect it is theirs, the way that reactivity-fired know-it-all intellect mocks what it doesn't understand. Verse 36 is the actuality within Neshamah (the Master), for which all the malarky of the Ruach is just one flitting image on a soap bubble.
I guess where I think we see this differently is that you speak of the disconnect in 36. I see the disconnect in 35. Ruach is oblivious to the reality of Neshamah. Neshamah sees Ruach perfectly well, though only as "just another transient impression." - To say it differently, it is the transient in us that has no real sight of the eternal - it can't - while the eternal, subsuming the transient, just witnesses its passing.
"Does 36's apparent isolation increase or diminish its authority, and in whose eyes? How do I judge this?[/quite]
That's the analytical part of your mind, yes? What does it feel like in meditation?[quite]In all honesty, from where I stand, how can I be anything other than unhappy with this disconnect?"
Given dukkha, that's probably true
- But the Master shall have had his reward.
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I feel like Lady Harris’ Prince of Swords. I have a tremendous amount of energy, and it’s aggressive, dry 'wind creating static electricity' irritation kind of energy.
@Jim Eshelman said
"What does it feel like in meditation?"
There is no settled place for these images to rest at the moment—just living with them and letting other images suggest themselves is how I am processing them, which is part of the problem—the idea of images explaining images…
@Jim Eshelman said
"I guess where I think we see this differently is that you speak of the disconnect in 36. I see the disconnect in 35. Ruach is oblivious to the reality of Neshamah. Neshamah sees Ruach perfectly well, though only as "just another transient impression." - To say it differently, it is the transient in us that has no real sight of the eternal - it can't - while the eternal, subsuming the transient, just witnesses its passing."
My center of gravity is down below. For me, to mouth clichés about one type of experience being more real than any other would be little more the new age clap trap—I would have to pretend that my center of reality is some other place than it is at the moment.
The whole idea of the ‘Great Work’ is the shift of this center. But until that happens it is just a working theory. I'm trying to exit illusion, not make it worse by posturing.
This chapter is pushing my buttons because it purports to be about images—it speaks in an imagistic language, and it pretty much said at the start that its primary obsession was going to be the image; and because of my personal history in the arts—I have spent countless hours defining the nature of IMAGE as the primary obsession of my own work. And what can I say, as a class of objects, they are faithless whores, all of them!
Love and Will
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"35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys.
He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! and their mockery shall ring round the world"To put it less eloquently than Jim did, I felt this was the Ruach's attempt at being a little twirp. There's an trial not mentioned in these verses that set the Ruach off.
"36. But the Master shall have had his reward.
The laughter of the mockers shall be a ripple in the hair of the Beloved One."The Neshamah, totally indifferent to the "noise" of the Ruach, is not even fazed in the least.
Tinman nice lyrics dude
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@RobertAllen said
"I feel like Lady Harris’ Prince of Swords. I have a tremendous amount of energy, and it’s aggressive, dry 'wind creating static electricity' irritation kind of energy.
@Jim Eshelman said
"What does it feel like in meditation?"
There is no settled place for these images to rest at the moment—just living with them and letting other images suggest themselves is how I am processing them, which is part of the problem—the idea of images explaining images…"
Yes! Air of Air. (It's working! <g>) - BTW interesting phrase, since "image of an image" was an Adonai self-description in the last chapter.
PS - There may also be an astrological factor here, Mars hitting something in your horoscope to irritate nerve endings for a few days while the Mercury-Venus-Mars triple conjunction moves through mid-Aries.
"My center of gravity is down below. For me, to mouth clichés about one type of experience being more real than any other would be little more the new age clap trap—I would have to pretend that my center of reality is some other place than it is at the moment.
The whole idea of the ‘Great Work’ is the shift of this center. But until that happens it is just a working theory. I'm trying to exit illusion, not make it worse by posturing."
Yes. Better to be an atheist than a hypocrite, as Vivekananda wrote.
"This chapter is pushing my buttons because it purports to be about images—it speaks in an imagistic language, and it pretty much said at the start that its primary obsession was going to be the image; and because of my personal history in the arts—I have spent countless hours defining the nature of IMAGE as the primary obsession of my own work. And what can I say, as a class of objects, they are faithless whores, all of them!"
Some of my best friends are faithless whores.
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"For me, to mouth clichés about one type of experience being more real than any other would be little more the new age clap trap—I would have to pretend that my center of reality is some other place than it is at the moment."
SPOT....ON DUDE!
I've been feeling the same way.
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@Shadonis said
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"35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys.
He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! and their mockery shall ring round the world"To put it less eloquently than Jim did, I felt this was the Ruach's attempt at being a little twirp. There's an trial not mentioned in these verses that set the Ruach off. "
You don't think the verses from 31 forward were sufficient to freak out the Ruach?
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LOL
Poor choice of words.
I realized that way after posting. I was having a hard time with this chapter at first but now it seems to be sinking in. I'm loving it. My ruach...not so much lol
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" 35. Where is now the Master? cry the little crazy boys. "
I was having a hard time understanding how a crazy boy became crazy boys, but then I read
@Jim Eshelman said
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- But the Master Verse 35 is the p.o.v. of "the little crazy boys," which I take to be the rattle-trap Ruach, the "multiple crazy voices" - "
Then it started to make sense
" He is dead! He is shamed! He is wedded! "
This seems to part of their mockery.To say that he is dead is much like saying that he is not listening to us.
To say that he is ashamed is their reasoning as to why he may not be listening to them.
To say he is wedded, may have a lot of parts of reasoning, but I think I can name one part. Wedded is a relationship to oneness as in masculine and feminine are wedded, so another reason that he is not listening to them is the fact that the masculine and feminine parts agree with each other. When a couple agree with each other they will not listen to all the crazy voices that try to tear them apart.
" and their mockery shall ring round the world. "
Which world is this talking about?" 36. But the Master shall have had his reward.
The laughter of the mockers shall be a ripple in the hair of the Beloved One "Sometimes ripples in the hair give it more style.
This passage suggests growth or more wisdom is maintained through not listening to all the voices and allowing both the masculine and feminine to agree with becoming ‘not’.