Karma Equals Hadit
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Maybe yours are, but I create as I speak, and I do speak well.
ABRAHADABRA
Course corrections are/are not possible.
lol...
Depending on where you think you're working to turn.
How do you like that little excursion? lol...
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I think: Hadit has experience. The field of the experience itself is Nuit.
I see your point of view on this... your way of thinking... However, Nuit-Babalon (especially in her particular manifestation as Atu VIII, Adjustment) seems to me to fill the bill better.
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Yeah... I'm a d***** sometimes. I miss the question for fascination with the turn in words.
In the States, while playing pool (billiards), the spin you put on the ball is called "English." I wonder what you guys call it? Same?
Anyway.
Wordzzzzz...
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Yes, same.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I think: Hadit has experience. The field of the experience itself is Nuit.
I see your point of view on this... your way of thinking... However, Nuit-Babalon (especially in her particular manifestation as Atu VIII, Adjustment) seems to me to fill the bill better."
Well, thank you Jim, and only Jim, for providing what could be construed as a somewhat logical response. So you are saying that Hadit integrates experience, but doesn't reflect experience itself? Sort of like an all-absorbing automaton? A black hole if you will; keeping with the modern trends, of course.
Namaste
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It's a thankless job.
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Fine, you want a non-Englished answer?
You could* just as easily *say it was a point of non-action in that it can ONLY experience what comes to it.
But then, you're just contradicting the definition of your perspective, so you might as well not do it.
But the difference is nothing but the direction of words and perspective..
You could just as easily ascribe Nuit all the action in the Universe and Hadit as the passive vessel that receives it, delusionally believing itself to be "acting."
But then your gods would contradict themselves, and I would be even more of a albatross for answering you correctly, and everyone would still hate me more.
So, fuck straight answers.
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Here are some thoughts that I posted on this. - unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/05/writing-by-me-babalon-and-her-consort.html
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Kerlem93, 93,
Chaos is the creative outpouring of Chokmah that (by us mortals) is experienced as "Chaos" because it is unpredictable and unending. It is not at all "unchanging." Also, Chaos and Hadit are not the same thing. Chaos is a more developed archetype than Hadit, which is simpler in conception and also constitutes the most immediate aspect of conscious being.
Is Babalon Chaos' fantasy? To me, she's one of the most real things in our universe.
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Edward -
"Chaos is the creative outpouring of Chokmah that (by us mortals) is experienced as "Chaos" because it is unpredictable and unending."
I agree that chaos is the outpouring of Chokmah in the sense the it is what we perceive Chokmah to be from the outside looking in. We live in a world of form and when we look into Chokmah, we see no form, and so, we perceive chaos. It is really like the calm at the eye of a hurricane. It is unpredictable because it is not a thing to be predicted. Instead, it is the source of all things predictable.
"It is not at all "unchanging.""
Well what does it change into? I would still say that it is the source of all change, YES, but it, itself, does not change.
" Also, Chaos and Hadit are not the same thing. Chaos is a more developed archetype than Hadit, which is simpler in conception and also constitutes the most immediate aspect of conscious being."
I would say they are more like ways of talking about the same thing.
" To me, she's one of the most real things in our universe."
Sure, if form and change and division are the ultimate truth and not a construct of mind. Essential, yes. Without her, divinity could not conceive of the truth of it's own being, but what can the divine not do. The supernals are like the circular thought process of the One. It is said that the supernals only appear as separate from below. The One is able to understand what it is by temporarily living in and being born out of it's mother. It's mother being it's own capacity to separate from truth and to construct the illusion of being outside of and separate from itself and then to overcome division and separation, to be born out of them, by dissolving those mental constructs. So where does the other go when the one dissolves the mental constructs of two. It dissolves back into the one from whence it came, becoming one. And then maybe the one sleeps and becomes none and wakes again to another day to repeat the process and be born into truth again. The is the process of forever awakening.
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@Edward Mason said
"(by us mortals)
Edward"As opposed to what 'unmortals'? Which are you talking about. You've got my curiosity piqued in abject interest.
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93,
There are two viewpoints here. One is that from the mundane ego's consciousness (which is what I meant by "ordinary mortals") and the other is from that of the Magus. To anyone who hasn't reached at least Binah, then Chokmah will appear chaotic - fluctuating wildly and providing varying stimulus. To the Magus (presumably) it will be closer to "the source of all things predictable" that you mention.
What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
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@Edward Mason said
"93,
There are two viewpoints here. One is that from the mundane ego's consciousness (which is what I meant by "ordinary mortals") and the other is from that of the Magus. To anyone who hasn't reached at least Binah, then Chokmah will appear chaotic - fluctuating wildly and providing varying stimulus. To the Magus (presumably) it will be closer to "the source of all things predictable" that you mention.
What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
93 93/93,
Edward"Can you parade your sentiment without resorting to Qabalistic and Grade-dependent terms? Did you know that that was wrong? Wrong and right is a contradiction to Thelema, btw.
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"What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
"I see what you're saying.
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93,
seekinghga said:"Can you parade your sentiment without resorting to Qabalistic and Grade-dependent terms? Did you know that that was wrong? Wrong and right is a contradiction to Thelema, btw."
This is a Qabalistic discussion - we're talking about sephiroth. Beyond that observation, I'm not clear what point, non-point or meta-point you're trying to make.
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Edward -
OK Ed, so what does your whole spiel mean to those who don't have a jot of understanding of the Sephiroth? The average person. How can you transmutate the average into the holy via false jargon? What will that mean to the masses?
"Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known." (AL I:10)
I just fear that a single drop of that will be spared and all will be lost. Why was the term "Black Brother" spoken? An Adept is something, but that doesn't make him No Thing. Nemo.
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93,
I don't understand your term "false jargon." I used standard Qabalistic terms.
The "masses" will do what masses do best, which is sink to the lowest common denominator. Thelema isn't for them. Individuals, though, could buy a book, or check online, or hang out here, and learn about the sephiroth.
I can't make any sense out of the rest of your post.
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Edward -
I must admit that I, too, am baffled by the antagonistic stance, especially since the answer in question used very ordinary language common to the majority of posts on this forum.
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Elitism, which is conterminous with the opposite of:
"The word of Sin is Restriction." (AL I:41)
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@seekinghga said
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@Edward Mason said
"(by us mortals)
Edward"As opposed to what 'unmortals'? Which are you talking about. You've got my curiosity piqued in abject interest."
I'm pretty sure this is the original barb.
I too bristle when I'm jarred out of the flow of abstract hypothesis and discussion by such thoughts - as if being told some thoughts are simply too high for me. Our job is to finally apprehend them, is it not? That tends to be my attitude anyway.
But, minus the "mortals" joke, the rest of what Edward said is just straight up answer. And the joke, in the first place, does serve as a reminder that all such discussion and hypothesis really is rather futile without the experience and discipline of the higher grades.
Elitism... eh....
Experience is a real thing. I both bristle and am reminded...