Karma Equals Hadit
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@Edward Mason said
"(by us mortals)
Edward"As opposed to what 'unmortals'? Which are you talking about. You've got my curiosity piqued in abject interest.
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93,
There are two viewpoints here. One is that from the mundane ego's consciousness (which is what I meant by "ordinary mortals") and the other is from that of the Magus. To anyone who hasn't reached at least Binah, then Chokmah will appear chaotic - fluctuating wildly and providing varying stimulus. To the Magus (presumably) it will be closer to "the source of all things predictable" that you mention.
What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
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@Edward Mason said
"93,
There are two viewpoints here. One is that from the mundane ego's consciousness (which is what I meant by "ordinary mortals") and the other is from that of the Magus. To anyone who hasn't reached at least Binah, then Chokmah will appear chaotic - fluctuating wildly and providing varying stimulus. To the Magus (presumably) it will be closer to "the source of all things predictable" that you mention.
What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
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Edward"Can you parade your sentiment without resorting to Qabalistic and Grade-dependent terms? Did you know that that was wrong? Wrong and right is a contradiction to Thelema, btw.
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"What happens between attaining to Chesed and actual entry into Chokmah, I wouldn't be able to say. But since very few of us get to that point, our experience of Chokmah is always going to be of a powerful but changeable torrent.
"I see what you're saying.
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93,
seekinghga said:"Can you parade your sentiment without resorting to Qabalistic and Grade-dependent terms? Did you know that that was wrong? Wrong and right is a contradiction to Thelema, btw."
This is a Qabalistic discussion - we're talking about sephiroth. Beyond that observation, I'm not clear what point, non-point or meta-point you're trying to make.
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Edward -
OK Ed, so what does your whole spiel mean to those who don't have a jot of understanding of the Sephiroth? The average person. How can you transmutate the average into the holy via false jargon? What will that mean to the masses?
"Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known." (AL I:10)
I just fear that a single drop of that will be spared and all will be lost. Why was the term "Black Brother" spoken? An Adept is something, but that doesn't make him No Thing. Nemo.
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93,
I don't understand your term "false jargon." I used standard Qabalistic terms.
The "masses" will do what masses do best, which is sink to the lowest common denominator. Thelema isn't for them. Individuals, though, could buy a book, or check online, or hang out here, and learn about the sephiroth.
I can't make any sense out of the rest of your post.
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Edward -
I must admit that I, too, am baffled by the antagonistic stance, especially since the answer in question used very ordinary language common to the majority of posts on this forum.
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Elitism, which is conterminous with the opposite of:
"The word of Sin is Restriction." (AL I:41)
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@seekinghga said
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@Edward Mason said
"(by us mortals)
Edward"As opposed to what 'unmortals'? Which are you talking about. You've got my curiosity piqued in abject interest."
I'm pretty sure this is the original barb.
I too bristle when I'm jarred out of the flow of abstract hypothesis and discussion by such thoughts - as if being told some thoughts are simply too high for me. Our job is to finally apprehend them, is it not? That tends to be my attitude anyway.
But, minus the "mortals" joke, the rest of what Edward said is just straight up answer. And the joke, in the first place, does serve as a reminder that all such discussion and hypothesis really is rather futile without the experience and discipline of the higher grades.
Elitism... eh....
Experience is a real thing. I both bristle and am reminded...