Evolution of Health
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
@Takamba said
" If I may "dumb down" the "when is someone ready for occult studies" a bit, I refer you to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When one has met the basic survival needs, one is then capable of shifting mental focus to the next stage: Safety - that is, building the security of knowing these needs can always be met. Then the next level of focus is available, Love and Belonging - followed by Esteem and finally Self-Actualization. The study and use of magick falls somewhere in those last two segments of the hierarchy which is why, for example, the Abramelin working is built around first the ability to secure the proper house and a life without distraction. In fact, the beginning of that book speaks to me very much of what the model of good health is.It has been written (by Kraig for example) that "High Magick" is so-called because the sages of old lived in high places; in towers or castles or well established homes .. and having first secured the bottom portions of Maslow's pyramid. Because of their lives of security and basic self-esteem, the ability to succeed with magick was made more likely for them."
Takamba as always you do a most excellent job holding up a mirror so that I can see my imperfections. Dumb Down, eh gads, what a judgmental bitchy statement! Sorry, I will work at that.
Your statement about securing things in a progression is exactly what I was trying to communicate about health. Until one has those basics mastered, you just can't progress. I am grateful for the health that I have, but I am not perfect, I have chronic asthma and allergies that leave me at certain times of the year a useless bag of bones. So when I can breathe right and see straight, and not be a sneezing mess i value each and every moment to the fullest.It strikes me, that the American culture seemed to have mastered the whole survival thing, and progressed to the self actualization...yet... American culture was comsumeing astronomical amouts of products that were unhealthy, and unsustainable, products that detracted from life.....and it would seem that the economic crisis, the housing market downturn and that whole bankster, insurance accountability is a reflection of those poor choices. Maybe that just a huge leap in thought, but I know for my family, the economic down turn forced us, and I am talking my extended family, to get back to basics, to reexamine our values, our lives, our consuption...and I know from the news that thousands of others did the same sort of self reflection.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
I did not mean to come off like I was berating you or denying your abilities to any degree, and I try to destroy false assumptions whenever I can, but when looking at the method of union I can not help but look at the massive history of drug consumption that appears to go hand in hand. That is a thing I find beautiful about the human structure, it appears so perfectly constructed. I do not advocate drug use for the reason that it usually becomes a crutch, given that with our will and our brain we can do the things that people would normally take drugs to do, it only seems to point towards them being unnecessary for any shift in consciousness. But it is a method, just like any other and is for some people and not for others. They are treated as a drug and not as a sacrament which is why I get on people's cases for treating them like they are tied with a poor quality human.
@Veronica said"It strikes me, that the American culture seemed to have mastered the whole survival thing, and progressed to the self actualization...yet... American culture was comsumeing astronomical amouts of products that were unhealthy, and unsustainable, products that detracted from life"
It seems that Americans have not passed the love and belonging stage, we live in such a hostile country that is constantly perpetuating war and division between groups. We have sectarian inculturation entered into our perception from our earliest days in school. A lot of Americans seem like they are over obsessed with safety because they don't find comfort anywhere else, they close up into their house or into a neat box that they have constructed for themselves where they don't have to see face to face some of the things that normally happen. -
Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
@Mens Oculus said
"It not out of context, she put drugs in the list of things that are being detrimental to the progression of our species. I am merely saying that is unfair and that within the context of spirituality throughout the ages, drugs have been a large part, as well as fasting, and being anti-social. That Aleister Crowley, the man who originated this doctrine was himself a complete indulger. That suitable for a healthy consciousness. I brought out a small snippet because I agreed with most of what she was getting across but found that a large part of what she was saying I found untrue. She was drawing such a fine line between what you can and can not do in order to be healthy enough to engage in occult learning and it was weighted on some things that have no validity or are relying on an opinionated impression of a something. I thought I would take out a few bricks and shake the foundation a bit. Moderation is the key, not the clumping into right and wrong."
Do you really think that drugs have played a large part in true spirituality throughout the ages?
And I mean drugs in the senses of thinks like pot, coke, her ion, alcohol....I would even go so far as to say eating flesh....Maybe I am just way heavy on the Scorpio sex thing....but I see spirituality as an extent ion of union, of love and a sence of well being.
To put it as blunt as possible spirituality is sex and all the chemical reactions that take place when two become one become nothing.
It would seem to me that drugs are most often just a way to feel as good as possible, to feel as well, and safe, and united....without getting laid.
I have actually found out though, that some drugs make you not want sex, and that some drugs make you not able to have sex.
So to each their own, I would rather have my brain awash in chemicals that I made myself and flushed my being with after sex. But maybe I am just oversexed.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
I think that true spirituality is innate within the human experience and the we are born with all of the tools that are needed. But drugs like pot, opium, and mushrooms are talked about very frequently. I would imagine they were very quickly found to be varying degrees and access points of the same thing and that only recently have they become tainted with this batch of negative connotations. Getting laid is not the only way though, and there is nothing about it that implies that it is a more significant method than being celibate for ones entire life. The chemicals are not only accessible through sex, though it is a wonderful way, I am not in a situation where it is as devoteable as it is for somebody who has a long term other, so I must find other means. And my means are not through drugs, I just find them to be a helpful tool. To each their own.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
"Do you really think that drugs have played a large part in true spirituality throughout the ages?
And I mean drugs in the senses of thinks like pot, coke, her ion, alcohol...."Yes, as is evidenced by the entire shamanic tradition, no matter the continent.
But some of the drugs you list are modern (cocaine, heroine), more highly concentrated, more highy addictive, and harder on the body.
You are also speaking of the evolution of health (healthy spirituality?), which is a different aim than the primitive necessity of the tribe for which the shaman was willing to forfeit body, mind, and soul.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
@Swamiji said
"Absolutely nothing can "pollute" the soul.
When people are "polluted" it is inasmuch as they keep themselves separate from their soul.
93!"
You are absolutely correct, thank you for pointing that out I did mean a human being, and got lacks with my choice of words ( thinking of the common use of soul as a slang for a person as in...not a soul was home)
It is an excellent distinction to make espicially in regards to health and healing, for it is from this source that our Heath and healing arises. I would speculate that the farther a person feels separated from their soul the great potential for disease. When a person realizes that this separation is an illusion, healing can happen. When a human being realizes that in reality nothi g they do will destroy this soul, no matter how bad they have been, how poor their choices, how much harm they have done, they still are loved, and loving.
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
I've read an interesting thought today, it's from Kierkegaard's "Sickness unto death":
Health is in general the power of reconciling contradictions.
(this is my translation into english from the text in serbian that I have)he says this power is essentially the same as faith - his central theme, faith understood as passionate love for the Absolute/Ultimate/Divine. he speaks about accepting the paradox (of all existence) and jumping-into-it via Faith (which is also paradoxical) instead of staying in the duality of reason.
I see profound truth in this notion on health. for human being, healthy is - to be in accordance with the Sun, which means: to perform every particular act in such a manner that it serves the Whole, to be many (experience multitude and variety) at the same time continuously being aware that you are One. it's the subtle centeredness of awareness, which remains through many different experiences of daily life, a 'golden thread'.
healthy is to seek for that centeredness, and to cultivate it, nourish & work-on-refining it, once found.
unhealthy - everything which disables one in this regard. -
Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
I became inspired, so rather than detract from the thread I have created a separate post.
An optional branch
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Mr. Eshelman thought it maybe helpful to talk about psychological health.
As a child of addicts and alcoholics, I have seen may lives go down the drain. While I have had my own share of struggles and challenges, I have a healthy attitude, and a unique perspective on when I think a person is ready for occult work.
While I see the occult, new age, and religion as a tool to help bring accordance to lives, I also see them not as a starting place. I truly believe that before any such spiritual undertaking, certain levels of base health should be mastered. People take to spiritual teachings like addictions, and because of the implications of addictive thoughts and behaviors, unless the original source of the addiction is explored, healing, balance and accord will most likely not be sustained.One of the distinctions that I think needs to be address is the culture in which the mystery traditions came from. who were these masters of old who brought to us wisdom and understanding? What was their day to day like? How were they able to have such certainty, clarity, and insight, and why do we seem to struggle for the little dibs and dabs we seems to have spotting our lives.
the human body is biologically adept and capable of transcending time and space, of transmuting energies and of being a vessel of light, or an extent ion of light. It is so now, and it has been so for thousands of years if not longer.
But I will preface that adeptness and capability by clarifying that the culture, or community in which the human being is entangled with, will either enhance this...or detract from this.
The cultures that gave rise to the teachings that we are attempting to utilize were cultures that are almost completely alien from the cultures in which modern peoples live in. they talk different, they dress different, they ate different, they wore different clothes, but one would think that under those veils they were blood and bone like us. They loved, they fought, they made up....
Yet, The quality of relationships, the family dynamics and social interactions while far from perfect were such that people more easily understood positive life enhancing thoughts, words, actions and behaviors. They supported each other, they helped each other and by helping others they were helped as well. Humans lived a sustainable existence because they were in check with nature.I have said it before, and I will say it again, What these cultures consumed, on all levels enhanced their abilities to live happy, successful lives in union.
If you look at cultures that have a lot of mental illness, or a lot of any illness really....you will see cultures that have drastically shifted patterns of consumption away from the natural pattern of sustainible ecological life in their environment, it to what could be considered a modern view of anything, anytime I want.
Traditionaly, our not so ancient ancestors ate a diet that fluctuated with the seasons. Gathering during the light, storing during the waning, hunting In The dark. Our biology is geared to a consumption pattern of feast and famine. It will be just as detrimental to a species to feast constantly, as to a constant famine.
Our very planet is physically slanted, off it's kilter, squed to an angle and that has dictated for a long time what was eaten, and when. Life evolved and was created here to work with that system of division.It is often touted by feminist that life was better for humanity under Matriarcy, and this system of patriarchy that has spread worldwide is killing everything, Gaia herself included. Yet I don't think either is without responsibility for the disease that for all appearance sake has divided humanity, divorced us from ourselves, with no chance of reconciliation and union.
But now because of manifest destiny, or invasion, or pioneering, or exploration or what ever we want to label it, the planet has been mapped and lines drawn, and land divided, and the forests cleared, the rivers damned, and the soil tilled.
This act has such a deep impact on human life that it is just mind boggling. It seems to have taken as little as two hundred years, maybe even less for our eating habits to reek havoc on our whole biology.
Those ancients who gifted us with spiritual knowledge were almost a completely different breed of humans. They ate fresh, raw, local produce, they flavored their diet with tiny bits of animal products, which were as organic as they were.
The air was clean, the water pure, the soil an extention of life.I do know that some cultures did almost eat exclusively animal products, and I am not meaning this to be an advocation of vegan or vegetarianism...I am advocating real food, whole, fresh and seasonal as the way life has come to be, I advocate conscious consumption of everything, from the water we drink, to the rice, corn and wheat we grow, to the animals we butcher, and just as important...to what we consume for leasure, games, words, music, art, religion, and each other.
for these ancients, for them to work and undertake occult studies they were already half way there in a sence. They were purer, cleaner, healthier, not polluted with modern fixings. The main jist of occult studies is self exploration, of self discovery and self mastery so that one can be the best extention of light or vessel for light that they are capable of. I think that it is possible that while. On today's standards these cultures were poor with the quanity of possibilities of consumption...the quality was of such a higher caliber that they were rich beyond todays standards.
It was easier for them to maintain health and harmony, they were not inundated with saturated fat, pesticides, herbicides, vaccines, and a host of invisible waves of energy that modern culture has created in a vain attempt to make survival easier and better.
Why on earth would an angel desire to have Conversations with a soul that is polluted with drugs, and rotting flesh, and toxic vibrations brought about by unclear thinking.? They wouldn't,. They would stay as far away from most modern humans as possible. Our ancestors it seems had miracles and Beings popping up all over, or so the stories say. Maybe it was our choices, our free will that separated us after all.
Occult studies dictate that one cleanses and purges ones self, yet our modern world stuffs us with options, eat this, try this drug, use this soap, buy this iPad, and it seems like the child in us is overwhelmed, can't say no, doesn't discern and cannot discriminate between choices that enhance life and bring union, and choices that divide us and sicken us.
I do believe DWTW, I do. I also believe that most human Beings upon hearing that think it is free reign to engage in wonton hedonist self indulgence, to
Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment.I think the crowd that DWTW was meant for is not that type. Maybe AC realized how the masses would interpret that statement, which while it is true, demands a human being to have personal integrity. When he worked with Gerald Gardner on a way to bring harmony, and to help the Aeon which is now upon us, maybe he knew that he would need to dumb it down a bit.
And so it was written
An it harm none, Do what thou wilt.
If what you choose to do brings harm, which I do understand is a relative term, even to yourself, then you shouldn't do it.For life does not activly seek to destroy itself, it does not make choices that will bring it harm, and end it's life. Life seeks to continue. Love is the Law, Love Under Will.
Most of the people that I have know in the occult world can almost fit into two categories, those that deliberately make choices that they know are harmful, eating crap, smoking, sugar, caffeine, drugs, ect....and those that deliberately make choices that are healthy, consistently.
I think that what makes some one ready to undertake occult teachings, and the lifestyle it begets is when some one can say, Just because I can do something, doesn't mean I should. When someone has that level of clarity, self understanding and self control then they will be able to travel the road of space and time effectively and consistently.
"Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment. "
The key words of this paragraph that can be used to understand the thought processes behind the capable mind who expressed them.
"Excess". You can do any of these things -- except for killing non-threatening animals, and rape in times of plentiful population with plenty of willing women -- without excess and they won't harm you or the population. In fact, when I read "the things people consume made their lives 'enjoyable'."(paraphrasing), I thought of all the healthy greens, grain, oats, and alcohol that was traditionally used to evolve humans/make them stronger, while enabling them to relish in existence.
So aside from manually hurting yourself, or your environment, you are encouraged to do these things in moderation.
"The drugs were indeed revealed." -Al Vel Legis commentary.
When our Sacred Lady Nuit speaks of "drugs", she does not just mean wine, wines that foam, cannabis, opium, coke and the cactus, she means foods and each other as well. We should all take the time to relish in, celebrate, and "drink-in" those that we share such experiences with.
That is the True Happiness of Nuit, her relationship with us, and the continuity of existence.
ALWAYS unto our Lady Nuit!
Never compulsively or obsessively, including "religion", or any sort of other organized meditation. Her warnings are clear, and her Lingo (Logos) recognized by her children.