Evolution of Health
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@Takamba said
" If I may "dumb down" the "when is someone ready for occult studies" a bit, I refer you to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. When one has met the basic survival needs, one is then capable of shifting mental focus to the next stage: Safety - that is, building the security of knowing these needs can always be met. Then the next level of focus is available, Love and Belonging - followed by Esteem and finally Self-Actualization. The study and use of magick falls somewhere in those last two segments of the hierarchy which is why, for example, the Abramelin working is built around first the ability to secure the proper house and a life without distraction. In fact, the beginning of that book speaks to me very much of what the model of good health is.It has been written (by Kraig for example) that "High Magick" is so-called because the sages of old lived in high places; in towers or castles or well established homes .. and having first secured the bottom portions of Maslow's pyramid. Because of their lives of security and basic self-esteem, the ability to succeed with magick was made more likely for them."
Takamba as always you do a most excellent job holding up a mirror so that I can see my imperfections. Dumb Down, eh gads, what a judgmental bitchy statement! Sorry, I will work at that.
Your statement about securing things in a progression is exactly what I was trying to communicate about health. Until one has those basics mastered, you just can't progress. I am grateful for the health that I have, but I am not perfect, I have chronic asthma and allergies that leave me at certain times of the year a useless bag of bones. So when I can breathe right and see straight, and not be a sneezing mess i value each and every moment to the fullest.It strikes me, that the American culture seemed to have mastered the whole survival thing, and progressed to the self actualization...yet... American culture was comsumeing astronomical amouts of products that were unhealthy, and unsustainable, products that detracted from life.....and it would seem that the economic crisis, the housing market downturn and that whole bankster, insurance accountability is a reflection of those poor choices. Maybe that just a huge leap in thought, but I know for my family, the economic down turn forced us, and I am talking my extended family, to get back to basics, to reexamine our values, our lives, our consuption...and I know from the news that thousands of others did the same sort of self reflection.
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I did not mean to come off like I was berating you or denying your abilities to any degree, and I try to destroy false assumptions whenever I can, but when looking at the method of union I can not help but look at the massive history of drug consumption that appears to go hand in hand. That is a thing I find beautiful about the human structure, it appears so perfectly constructed. I do not advocate drug use for the reason that it usually becomes a crutch, given that with our will and our brain we can do the things that people would normally take drugs to do, it only seems to point towards them being unnecessary for any shift in consciousness. But it is a method, just like any other and is for some people and not for others. They are treated as a drug and not as a sacrament which is why I get on people's cases for treating them like they are tied with a poor quality human.
@Veronica said"It strikes me, that the American culture seemed to have mastered the whole survival thing, and progressed to the self actualization...yet... American culture was comsumeing astronomical amouts of products that were unhealthy, and unsustainable, products that detracted from life"
It seems that Americans have not passed the love and belonging stage, we live in such a hostile country that is constantly perpetuating war and division between groups. We have sectarian inculturation entered into our perception from our earliest days in school. A lot of Americans seem like they are over obsessed with safety because they don't find comfort anywhere else, they close up into their house or into a neat box that they have constructed for themselves where they don't have to see face to face some of the things that normally happen. -
@Mens Oculus said
"It not out of context, she put drugs in the list of things that are being detrimental to the progression of our species. I am merely saying that is unfair and that within the context of spirituality throughout the ages, drugs have been a large part, as well as fasting, and being anti-social. That Aleister Crowley, the man who originated this doctrine was himself a complete indulger. That suitable for a healthy consciousness. I brought out a small snippet because I agreed with most of what she was getting across but found that a large part of what she was saying I found untrue. She was drawing such a fine line between what you can and can not do in order to be healthy enough to engage in occult learning and it was weighted on some things that have no validity or are relying on an opinionated impression of a something. I thought I would take out a few bricks and shake the foundation a bit. Moderation is the key, not the clumping into right and wrong."
Do you really think that drugs have played a large part in true spirituality throughout the ages?
And I mean drugs in the senses of thinks like pot, coke, her ion, alcohol....I would even go so far as to say eating flesh....Maybe I am just way heavy on the Scorpio sex thing....but I see spirituality as an extent ion of union, of love and a sence of well being.
To put it as blunt as possible spirituality is sex and all the chemical reactions that take place when two become one become nothing.
It would seem to me that drugs are most often just a way to feel as good as possible, to feel as well, and safe, and united....without getting laid.
I have actually found out though, that some drugs make you not want sex, and that some drugs make you not able to have sex.
So to each their own, I would rather have my brain awash in chemicals that I made myself and flushed my being with after sex. But maybe I am just oversexed.
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I think that true spirituality is innate within the human experience and the we are born with all of the tools that are needed. But drugs like pot, opium, and mushrooms are talked about very frequently. I would imagine they were very quickly found to be varying degrees and access points of the same thing and that only recently have they become tainted with this batch of negative connotations. Getting laid is not the only way though, and there is nothing about it that implies that it is a more significant method than being celibate for ones entire life. The chemicals are not only accessible through sex, though it is a wonderful way, I am not in a situation where it is as devoteable as it is for somebody who has a long term other, so I must find other means. And my means are not through drugs, I just find them to be a helpful tool. To each their own.
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"Do you really think that drugs have played a large part in true spirituality throughout the ages?
And I mean drugs in the senses of thinks like pot, coke, her ion, alcohol...."Yes, as is evidenced by the entire shamanic tradition, no matter the continent.
But some of the drugs you list are modern (cocaine, heroine), more highly concentrated, more highy addictive, and harder on the body.
You are also speaking of the evolution of health (healthy spirituality?), which is a different aim than the primitive necessity of the tribe for which the shaman was willing to forfeit body, mind, and soul.
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@Swamiji said
"Absolutely nothing can "pollute" the soul.
When people are "polluted" it is inasmuch as they keep themselves separate from their soul.
93!"
You are absolutely correct, thank you for pointing that out I did mean a human being, and got lacks with my choice of words ( thinking of the common use of soul as a slang for a person as in...not a soul was home)
It is an excellent distinction to make espicially in regards to health and healing, for it is from this source that our Heath and healing arises. I would speculate that the farther a person feels separated from their soul the great potential for disease. When a person realizes that this separation is an illusion, healing can happen. When a human being realizes that in reality nothi g they do will destroy this soul, no matter how bad they have been, how poor their choices, how much harm they have done, they still are loved, and loving.
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I've read an interesting thought today, it's from Kierkegaard's "Sickness unto death":
Health is in general the power of reconciling contradictions.
(this is my translation into english from the text in serbian that I have)he says this power is essentially the same as faith - his central theme, faith understood as passionate love for the Absolute/Ultimate/Divine. he speaks about accepting the paradox (of all existence) and jumping-into-it via Faith (which is also paradoxical) instead of staying in the duality of reason.
I see profound truth in this notion on health. for human being, healthy is - to be in accordance with the Sun, which means: to perform every particular act in such a manner that it serves the Whole, to be many (experience multitude and variety) at the same time continuously being aware that you are One. it's the subtle centeredness of awareness, which remains through many different experiences of daily life, a 'golden thread'.
healthy is to seek for that centeredness, and to cultivate it, nourish & work-on-refining it, once found.
unhealthy - everything which disables one in this regard. -
"Do drugs, smoke cigarrettes, drink alcohol, be anti social, kill animals, rape, sodomize in excess and do what ever they want at the moment. "
The key words of this paragraph that can be used to understand the thought processes behind the capable mind who expressed them.
"Excess". You can do any of these things -- except for killing non-threatening animals, and rape in times of plentiful population with plenty of willing women -- without excess and they won't harm you or the population. In fact, when I read "the things people consume made their lives 'enjoyable'."(paraphrasing), I thought of all the healthy greens, grain, oats, and alcohol that was traditionally used to evolve humans/make them stronger, while enabling them to relish in existence.
So aside from manually hurting yourself, or your environment, you are encouraged to do these things in moderation.
"The drugs were indeed revealed." -Al Vel Legis commentary.
When our Sacred Lady Nuit speaks of "drugs", she does not just mean wine, wines that foam, cannabis, opium, coke and the cactus, she means foods and each other as well. We should all take the time to relish in, celebrate, and "drink-in" those that we share such experiences with.
That is the True Happiness of Nuit, her relationship with us, and the continuity of existence.
ALWAYS unto our Lady Nuit!
Never compulsively or obsessively, including "religion", or any sort of other organized meditation. Her warnings are clear, and her Lingo (Logos) recognized by her children.
