Was Aleister Crowley advocating genocide?
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
@Dar es Allrah said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"I'm surprised no one has mentioned the island of Fernando Poo yet..."... ?"
A little joke. "Dung it about with enginery of war!" dung/poo. The island plays a central plot role in The Illuminatus Trilogy...
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
I'm not sure of any of the kabbalistic or hermetic interpretations of the third chapter what sover, but I do relate to your repulsion. It's the combination of the compulsion and repulsion of the book of the law that one can find enlightening - even for peaceful loving thoughtful people like you and I.
How i hated that chapter for a while, and I too thought of leaving my thelemic explorations for good!
So what's up with the third chapter? why all the war, war, war? what does this have to do with love and life and light and liberty? isn't this being the law contrary to blowing our brothers to bits and drinking their blood and eating their flesh in victory? of course it is. So one must either accept that the author of Liber Al was Cthulu, or it means something else entirely.
So I will share with you my own unique understanding of liber Al ch III. It' actually now one of my favorite chapters - I admit I may have a unique twist on it and I can't really explain how I have come to these conclusions exactly, really just from many hours of meditation, vision, intuition, and of course I am sure some delusion thrown in for good measure, but my understanding makes sense to me and there fore I dig it
I also except that the author of liber al is higher intelligence that is guiding humanity which also needs assistance, and the book of the law is the 'gymnasium' for the psyche to understand a few next steps and where the right person can help full fill some of it's prophecy, even just a little bit. Because it is essentially a book of knowledge and power (understanding and wisdom is supplied by the reader and is necessary to unlock it's secrets) it's also dangerous, both to the individual studying it and to the power or knowledge one can use for it for nefarious purposes (L Ron Hubbard comes to mind). So the most shocking components serve a few purposes, both to project the knowledge while also protecting the knowledge. An open secret, so to speak.
I believe the third chapter reveals the 'messiah' emerging, messiah being of course Ra Hoor Khuit, which I understand as the 'collective intelligence' of humanity, operating with a 'collective true will' and that true will collectively can be understood as simply as 'win win' for all. The emergence of this collective intelligence in the 20th and now 21st century is what destroys the old order - and yes, this is indeed a war.
WAR in the third chapter relates to the 'conflict of idea' - the 'wars which are in heaven' - our psyche. No matter how jesus or buddha we are, ideas are always going to be in conflict and every idea thought of has an opposite in contradiction to it. Dont think of this just in terms of our own individual psyche's, think of this in terms of our collective psyche and the conflict of idea. The conflict of idea is eternal and this war is eternal. However, we are not ideas of course and when we confuse ourselves as our ideas, things get bloody, violent, irrational, lose lose, etc etc. This is nothing new, bloody wars have been going on forever as well as dysfunctioning society. For the first time in history, and yes I believe this is predicted in the third chapter, humanity through technology that is indeed allowing a collective intelligence to emerge, is actually in a reasonable position to create a functioning 'win win society'. Through technology, we can actually focus on the conflict of idea as a method of resolution instead of actual war fare.
Social Media is the third chapter incarnate, it's tearing down structures, religions, institutions, governments, industries. And it's not using violence to do it. It's doing it with information, spreading through technology, and increasing the speed of the historical dialectical process that will allow a rational collective intelligence to emerge. The conflict of idea allows us to work together to increase our understanding, wisdom, intelligence, humor so we can problem solve, negotiate, and find resolution.
In this light, War is most certainly love.
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
@Avshalom Binyamin said
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@Dar es Allrah said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"I'm surprised no one has mentioned the island of Fernando Poo yet..."... ?"
A little joke. "Dung it about with enginery of war!" dung/poo. The island plays a central plot role in The Illuminatus Trilogy..."
haha! thanks for that, it's been years since I read it and never put that together! that guy (RAW) got me started on this whole mess around 30 years ago
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
I worry less about what Crowley/Aiwass meant, and more about how others may (mis)interpret it.
Am I right, did Hitler once read the Book of the Law?Aside from Hitler, there are passages in the Book of the Law I (hope) I don't understand; in that it sounds like it's advocating violence, and I worry that someone will use it to justify their own violent inclinations....
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
@Selene said
"I worry less about what Crowley/Aiwass meant, and more about how others may (mis)interpret it.
Am I right, did Hitler once read the Book of the Law?Aside from Hitler, there are passages in the Book of the Law I (hope) I don't understand; in that it sounds like it's advocating violence, and I worry that someone will use it to justify their own violent inclinations...."
I think anyone who is bent on justifying their violence is going to use whatever they want to use. We can't control others.
Do I get to use this shooting guy here?
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
No sympathy for Nazis!!!!
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
At this point in time, past wars ARE inevitable; but I' don't at all agree that they WERE (prior to their inauguration).
Humanity has a choice: Gett he underlying call to transformation, to rewriting the map of consciousness - or see it spilling over into phenomena in a "lowest common denominator sense." In a rough, crude summation: As a species, tear down and remap your inner reality, or a seemingly involuntary wave of blood will wash the world, tearing down and remapping outer reality.
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
As it should just so be, I believe it was an avocation of Genocide, a "Spiritual" genocide, if not only for the individual- To kill off the Ideals of False belief and ignorance of the Old aeon, and usher yourself into the new Aeon of Horus of Scientific and empirical proof, Thus we have "War and Vengeance" against the Old aeon.
Ultimately you can't have Peace without war of some sort; Whether that war is inside of you, or you bring it outside of you, ultimately separates the Kings from the Slaves. Think of it this way, every outward war or oppression begins with an insecurity or unhappiness from within. We must have the strength of will to wage war within ourselves, on ourselves, in order to get rid of these insecurities and control our emotions so that we do not project them on others that turns to physical violence. It's very Buddhist-Taoist kind of thinking. It also reflects Love under Will. Love is the law, which needs to be balanced with Will.
Of course to the blind eye this will look like a provocation of physical violence; But I think the way it is written is twofold in nature, to shock and scare people into further investigation on it, and to associate Crowley more-so as the first beast from revelations.
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If one interprets the third chapter of the Book of the Law rather literally
One can come to the conclusion that Crowley, or Horus, whoever actually came up with the text inside the book, was advocating some type of genocide against most of humanity."Choose ye an island
fortify it
smite the peoples (wage war on them" to paraphrase.Did Crowley want Thelemites to literally choose and island, and wage genocidal war upon the general non-Thelemic population?
Another observation is that I've noticed many people excuse war and blame it on the 'Aeon of Horus', saying that it's necessary no matter how tired humanity has grown of it, or how childish it may be.
It seems to me, humanity, rather than bow down and just 'go with the flow' of an 'Aeon', should have the 'magickal' power to change the Aeon. To end war, and prosper. In my opinion, the Aeon of Isis was probably the paradise that we've since lost and long to return to. A time when humans lived quite a lot more peacefully with each other, and in direct contact with mother earth. Mother Goddess worship was common, too.
That being said, I'm thinking myself about leaving Thelema and going down the path of Shamanic Wicca. I don't like how distant from nature Thelema seems to be in philosophy. And most people I've ever associated with, especially in real life, who call themselves Thelemites have egos bigger than my house.
It seems to me that shamanism, neopaganism, and Wicca are more for the right-brained people like me who like to improvise more their rituals, and be a bit more loosely creative in their Great Work. I'm not slamming Thelema, but I don't feel I have a place in it anymore. Unless maybe someone can answer my questions and maybe my mind will change...
I think he might have been
David Myatt famously praised 9/11. I was thinking about terrorism from a demand-based standpoint.
So we interpellate on the Earth, and peoples' sutures are projecting. So say I'm a martial arts expert. But you lose in some other sutured field of expertise. But that's not why, right?
But, as people know, to people, on the planet, that's why.
So you're still thinking about this guy when you notice there's terrorism on the planet. And hey, I'm pool on the Earth for terrorism. So say I join a terrorist organization to YOU.
And that's where there's terrorism on the planet to people, and say the pool generally doesn't want it on the planet. That's where we're afraid of terrorism. So we can describe/define terrorism as "annoying."
It reminds me of an episode of the Sarah Silverman Show, a show I didn't find that funny. There are two guys in a long-term relationship, and one of them suggests the other should try something new at the diner, say, a Tab soda. This is instead of a Coke, which he usually orders.
So the other guy's like, yeah, why don't I just order a Tab soda? And the other guy has to keep going along with it. Are you going to go back on that?
So we get really into Tab soda. And this goes on and on for the duration of the episode, to the point where they even drive a Tab soda car and visit the Tab soda factory. Cause yeah, why don't I order a Tab soda?
So we all have demand for terrorism, so say I'm a terrorist TO YOU, because I don't want your demand, but I'll pool it on the planet with terrorism.
So what this works out to is you get "that's who I am to people" with "not-pool" as a terrorist and "that's why."
So what I'm wondering is, was David Myatt just a really nice guy who they thought they pooled (but really didn't) and decided to go Tab Soda on the pool's demand with terrorist? Cause that's who I am to you?
I was looking at a picture of him at a monastary, and honestly, he looks maybe a bit awkward, like me in Facebook pictures at high school as an usher at a wedding.
And that's why he's Anton Long?