Free Love
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
@Ab-ul-Az said
"I am an idealist aristocrat, and when it comes to the common man, I don't care whom you are sleeping with so far you're not interfering and effecting your folk and nation's well being, unity and evolution (ie. continuity through family), something sadly most gay people for instance can't wrap their heads around."
I'll only add that I think it an indefensible position that people need to be committed to procreation. We'd do much better as a species and part of the larger ecosystem if, say, half the people on the planet decided not to procreate for a generation or two. If we overdo that, recovery will be quite easy.
I'm not overly concerned with continued biological evolution. It will continue to happen - continue to tweak the mix a bit - but it's probably near its upper arc. I've known for decades that the human species needs to take its next evolutionary steps within each generation, which is what the training systems for spiritual acceleration are all about. We have enormous untapped genius within the biological structures we've already evolved.
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
@Jim Eshelman said
"I'll only add that I think it an indefensible position that people need to be committed to procreation. We'd do much better as a species and part of the larger ecosystem if, say, half the people on the planet decided not to procreate for a generation or two. If we overdo that, recovery will be quite easy.
I'm not overly concerned with continued biological evolution. It will continue to happen - continue to tweak the mix a bit - but it's probably near its upper arc. I've known for decades that the human species needs to take its next evolutionary steps within each generation, which is what the training systems for spiritual acceleration are all about. We have enormous untapped genius within the biological structures we've already evolved."
Hear! Hear!!
hallelujah and amen to that!!!the natural feast famine cycle of our beloved planet used to do a wonderful job of self regulating population. they we imposed a constant food source and now our numbers are off the chart.
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
@Jim Eshelman said
"We'd do much better as a species and part of the larger ecosystem if, say, half the people on the planet decided not to procreate for a generation or two. If we overdo that, recovery will be quite easy."
That sounds great in theory, but who's going to deal with the disproportionate increase in the elderly population? Declining birthrates in the developed world have recently made this a pressing issue. Most Western nations currently try to solve this problem by importing increasing amounts of cheap foreign labor. To me it sounds like a Ponzi scheme.
Then there's the problem of a shrinking tax base. Fewer people having kids means fewer people entering the work force and an ever smaller tax intake. Sure, you can increase taxes, but it can only go so far before the young are financially crippled. Do we ban retirement and institute a "work until you drop" policy for the elderly until balance is restored? We're already heading in that direction anyway without a drastic reduction in the future young population!
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
@Takamba said
"And thus sank Atlantis.
Everyone's competing consequences of their limited-viewpoint actions.
What would be ideal is if nobody thought they knew a better solution for other people to be."
You right
Like always
Im going to just go be a unicorn and mind my own business.
Thanks again for being kind -
What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
It's an illusion. His comment is just as much of an Atlantis as everyone else's. He's just tricked himself into thinking it's any different.
(Kind of a paradox, continually telling people to mind their own business..)
In the meantime, if a bunch of us--but not all of us--just "mind our own business", that's kind of how stuff like fascism stands a chance.
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
It's all about the shame of attachment to desire. Thinking and being are two different things, and thinking makes any being look exactly like the thinker thinks, regardless of the pure truth of the being. It is attachment that is the curse, it is thinking that is the trap, it is believing that is the glue.
The paradox is that I am speaking only of the pure truth of the being, not "what I think."
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
@Takamba said
"The paradox is that I am speaking only of the pure truth of the being, not "what I think.""
Indeed. That paradox is summated quite exquisitely in Liber 400.
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think of free love? Are any of you in open relationships?
I've been thinking a lot on this topic lately: mostly not on free love as an alternative lifestyle, but on if anything else is even possible or desirable.
Everyone's individual relationship with every one of the other 7 billion + human beings on Earth is unique. I don't relate to your friends or my mother or Barack Obama in the same way that you do. This is the natural way things are: defined human relationships (like marriages) are secondary.
Next, any relationship a human being has with another human being exists on many different levels, including emotional, sexual, physical, and the whole gamut of possibilities. These happen unconsciously. Most humans do not have the ability to control their emotions, let alone their physical bodies.
Given this how can one restrict themselves to one person or try to restrict another person to themselves?
To do so seems to be a disavowal of the truth, of trying to make believe that someone could only ever "really" love you. Which is true in a sense. They can only ever really love you in the sense that you are the only person able to be yourself. But they could just as easily love someone else too. And that's okay. Every love is different and unique.
I don't know too many people into the occult but I've asked those that I do know about it and found they were relatively traditional, wanting monogamy and all that.
I guess my view is nontraditional. But 'enforced' monogamy seems to me to stem from jealousy and to be unenlightened. I don't take the Book of the Law that seriously but I really like this line lately:
"There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell."
I'm sure my view is affected by my never having been in a long-term relationship. Maybe someone can provide a counterpoint from that perspective.
What do you guys think?