Who's the "Great Architect" in Thelema?
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I know that some Thelemites are Freemasons, even Crowley was (not sure if he left Freemasonry after he received the Law).
So when a Thelemite takes part in a Masonic ritual, and they speak of the Great Architect of the Universe, how should the Thelemite interpret it?
Since there is no definition of a creator in Thelema, which one would be the most natural choice:- The HGA
- Hadit in the context of Nuit
- Nuit, Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit as one
- Something different altogether
Thanks!
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@Takamba said
"Like all things
through the route of degrees
change is stability
and stability is change
Only the Master knows the secret name
"Replying in verse, before Corvinae even left a comment! That's nice.
I don't really mind the names, but rather what they represent.@Takamba said
"Who is the great magician who makes the grass green?
"From a Thelemic perspective, is it truly one great magician? If so, it would seem that the answer is close to the third option that I proposed (because, all things considered, the greenness of the grass stems from the functions of all three). Do you agree?
@Takamba said
"hint: Robert Anton Wilson was an original G
"Never heard of this guy, but I've just briefly read the Wikipedia page about him, and I don't understand his relevance to this question.
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@FiatYod said
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@Takamba said
"Like all things
through the route of degrees
change is stability
and stability is change
Only the Master knows the secret name
"Replying in verse, before Corvinae even left a comment! That's nice.
I don't really mind the names, but rather what they represent.
"Thank you for the nod. Yes, inspired by the virtual presence of Corvinae (or any other alias she will later go by).
What this verse represents is that the answer that could be given to your question is actually one that will change over time, and when it doesn't change (and yes, figuratively it is always one of those three you mention in answer number three), the meanings will change. "The song remains the same" but the understanding of it does not.*CORRECTION
It's "All of the above."@FiatYod said
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@Takamba said
"Who is the great magician who makes the grass green?
"From a Thelemic perspective, is it truly one great magician? If so, it would seem that the answer is close to the third option that I proposed (because, all things considered, the greenness of the grass stems from the functions of all three). Do you agree? "
Yes, see my response above. The zen-like koan created or quoted by Robert Anton Wilson represents the idea that it is I who create the meanings in this world of mine (yours, only in as much as you allow my influence, whereas you are the one then for yourself making 'the grass green.'
@FiatYod said
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@Takamba said
"hint: Robert Anton Wilson was an original G
"Never heard of this guy, but I've just briefly read the Wikipedia page about him, and I don't understand his relevance to this question."
He was a famous Thelemite, Freemason, Shriner, Discordian, Ceremonial/Chaos/Freebird Magician. He's known for co-authoring the infamous and famous Illuminati "Trilogy." He's quite the clown!
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Ha!
I do have a day job
Its fun and carefree
And all of the children
They really love meWe build bright new worlds
In thier fertile fields
Of grey matter
and and baby curlsWho designs the best forts
Or pirate ships to sail
Around the worlds ports
Each one says, tis IEach name that Ive had
Each name I have switched
Was because my ego
Had started to twitchIt pushed and it pulled
It bound me in chains
Till I squirmed like a worm
Freeing myself from those painsHow should a Thelemite respond
Do you ask
When in the room filled
With Masons agastsCalling out names
and old fashioned games
I would respond the same
I a room full of babesWho build little worlds
In thier minds all afresh
With new words of power
To them all a fresh.The line of green
That defines how and why
Can and should be pushed out
Bit by bit
By and byMy name that I have
Right now on the list
Is an egg over easy
And scrambled the best -
@FiatYod said
"I know that some Thelemites are Freemasons, even Crowley was (not sure if he left Freemasonry after he received the Law).
So when a Thelemite takes part in a Masonic ritual, and they speak of the Great Architect of the Universe, how should the Thelemite interpret it?Thanks!"
If I personally was ever at a ritual or event and someone/organization spoke of some great architect......
I would recall that the origin of the word architect means "to weave or to fabricate"
If I was at a play dough building party and someone spoke of the great dough shaper
I would interpret it the same.
If I was over at Takambas house for tea and toast and he talked about how he grew the bergamot and ground the flour for my meal.......
Well I would interpret that as he knows the truth and the heart of building something real and important.