Coronavirus and Thelema
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Conversation equals discourse using language between two or more people. Retarded equals slowed down, restricted, stunted, prevented from growing. Unfortunately on this forum, conversations are far from stunted and can tend to grow wildly.
So I don't get it. What are you seeing with your eyes?
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Back to the OP...
You know, all the protests to "reopen the economy" are making me rethink this a little.
It's certainly within one's will to do the necessary things to survive. Am I wrong? And it could be argued further that in our age, making money is how you do that.
The government money didn't actually go to small businesses. They let the banks decide who to give it to, and people like dentists and other truly small businesses got nothing. They don't make the banks as much money, so they didn't get anything. And in the U.S., the $1200 stimulus checks are barely anything if you've got rent and a car note. Things could get hairy.
People aren't going to have what they need to survive if things don't change before too long.
Change anybody's answer?
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The idea that it is temporary makes it nolo contendere. " the word of Sin is Restriction," does not mean that all restrictions are sins. The nature of a governor is always to produce restrictions, what's the meaning of the word to govern. We are born with restrictions; we cannot fly without mechanical aid, we cannot travel from place to place until we learn how to motivate ourselves into doing so, we don't drink orange juice through our fingers but instead through our lips and mouth, these are all restrictions. Yoga, which means Union, is filled with necessary restrictions.
These are not sins.
This too shall pass.
If this does not pass, if the restrictions resist being lifted, then Will will reform and remove the resistance. This is for a future time. We can discuss, plan, consider, Etc but it is for another time.
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On the other side of my thoughts
Do you know someone who has died of covid-19 or do you only know someone who knows someone or do you only know you've been told what you've been told? How does this jive with "believe nothing you don't also prove for yourself? "
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@Hermitas said
"People aren't going to have what they need to survive if things don't change before too long.
Change anybody's answer?"
So we have to wait and see "if things don't change before too long" in order to make up our minds (and then possibly regret not making up our minds earlier)...
@Takamba said
"" the word of Sin is Restriction," does not mean that all restrictions are sins."
Fascinating!
Sin => Restriction, but not the other way around!
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@FiatYod said
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@Hermitas said
"People aren't going to have what they need to survive if things don't change before too long.Change anybody's answer?"
So we have to wait and see "if things don't change before too long" in order to make up our minds (and then possibly regret not making up our minds earlier)...
"You mad, bro?
Quit asking questions and speak your mind.
What’s your solution? Any tool can poke holes.
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@Hermitas said
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@FiatYod said
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@Hermitas said
"People aren't going to have what they need to survive if things don't change before too long.Change anybody's answer?"
So we have to wait and see "if things don't change before too long" in order to make up our minds (and then possibly regret not making up our minds earlier)...
"You mad, bro?
Quit asking questions and speak your mind.
What’s your solution? Any tool can poke holes."
You just called yourself.
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Ehh...
I’m no expert.
I’m good with what we’re doing, but I can work from home with a relatively stable job even in recessions. Me doing my will usually involves me writing back and forth with people over the Internet anyway.
I do realize that both recovery from illness and maintaining financial security are both survival-level needs.
I’d like to be a good “ruler,” though, as I play my part in the American system.
I look to the human body as an analogy for society. When we get sick, the body shuts down. My body healing itself is a more fundamental priority than me achieving self-actualization.
But we are individuals. So that’s the other side.
That’s my opinion, but I’m willing to change my mind. Remember, I was re-opening the conversation for other perspectives. That’s the part quoted.
The brother here seems to have a passionate opinion, but he won’t come out and state it. I’m interested in it.
So far, I can only assume that it’s going to be something like, “We just need to get on with our business and let a whole bunch of people die.” But I’m waiting to find out.
Otherwise, he’s just griping about other peoples’ opinions without having the courage to state his own - to put his own ideas out there for criticism.
Also, why are you taking up for everybody all of a sudden? These aren’t babies. They came to play. Let them.
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@Hermitas said
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I do realize that both recovery from illness and maintaining financial security are both survival-level needs.I look to the human body as an analogy for society. When we get sick, the body shuts down. My body healing itself is a more fundamental priority than me achieving self-actualization.
"I think we're in the process of collectively re-structuring, re-defining what are, globally, considered to be the Basic Needs of Human; a process of about 18 years (Pluto is transitioning from Sagittarius to Capricorn now, will enter Capricorn in 2021 and leave in end 2040), followed by the phase of about 18 years when we'll get to feel the 'taste' of the New Aeon Cognition/consciousness on a mass-scale for the first time (Pluto's pass through Aquarius).
The truth is, as species we have the survival needs covered - it's not an issue for the Human any more as it used to be; there IS enough resources, and there are known ways to utilize them, in order for everyone living to have the food & housing.
This is now perceived, on mass-level, only sub-consciously (look at the rising number of people experiencing psychological depression; look at millennials and their approach to job/work; etc - there's need for meaning and for self-actualization, and the Human is becoming awake to how very Urgent and Burning this need is); there's been a saturation-point, but it hasn't reached the global surface of awareness fully as yet; it will take us some time to "sort things out" (I see this as the specific Purification-process of the Pluto in Capricorn phase); understanding how the matter-energy operates on the Quantum Mechanics level, and understanding Heisenberg's findings, in particular, is a vital part of this large-scale cognitive transition.The Child-consciousness operates from perspective of: being rooted in the nakedness of Now, and focused-oriented to the Future (imagine the baby being born, the process of it coming out of the Womb, and the experience of exposure to Light and Air for the first time; does it turn back to look at the womb? of course not! all there is is Now and To-Be - left to its own devices, the infant follows a very specific path - up the mother's body, in a straight line, to reach the breast); it has the co-existence awareness inherent in itself. Another analogy: our Sun is the very core and center of the Solar system, and simultaneously, it's only a star among stars: both are true, and equally importantly so; this second aspect of the New Aeon cognition needs to be developed now (the first, understanding the uniqueness of the Sun, is already under way), the awakening of awareness of our mutual interconnectedness and co-existence.
For the new-born, the presence-of-everything-needed for survival is a given, it's a position the Child begins with.[Edit]
P.S. on a related note, I've just came across this quote on FB:""No life is worth living, if we cannot be true to our nature"
- Baine Bloodhoof"
I don't know the author, but the reflection of the N.A.C. perspective on the priority of needs is clear.
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So, in brief, I see this Covid-19 time as a phase, the brief intro to a larger phase (18 years of Pl in Cap), that provides the opportunity for this mass-scale transition to be incorporated - into the body of mass conscious knowledge, and into the physical and social structures as we now have them (via destroying, changing, morphing, in one way or another transforming the existing - toward the ones that are more harmoniously aligned with the New-Aeon-cognition mode of operating).
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@Hermitas said
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@FiatYod said
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@Hermitas said
"People aren't going to have what they need to survive if things don't change before too long.Change anybody's answer?"
So we have to wait and see "if things don't change before too long" in order to make up our minds (and then possibly regret not making up our minds earlier)...
"You mad, bro?
Quit asking questions and speak your mind.
What’s your solution? Any tool can poke holes."
I'm not so sure myself, that's why I created this thread. I sought assistance in making up my mind on this topic.
And if this situation gets to where people are truly restricted, it brings Liber Oz to my mind:"Man has the right to live by his own law—
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to work as he will:
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Man has the right [...]
to move as he will on the face of the earth.
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Man has the right to kill those who would thwart these rights."Though I'm not sure that a violent resistance would be advisable (I guess it would just cause further, worse restriction).
Sorry if my previous messages made you think that I was trying to poke holes; I was just trying to make up my mind, so I had to ask questions.
@danica said
"So, in brief, I see this Covid-19 time as a phase, the brief intro to a larger phase (18 years of Pl in Cap), that provides the opportunity for this mass-scale transition to be incorporated - into the body of mass conscious knowledge, and into the physical and social structures as we now have them (via destroying, changing, morphing, in one way or another transforming the existing - toward the ones that are more harmoniously aligned with the New-Aeon-cognition mode of operating)."
What do you mean by an incorporation of this transition into the physical structures as we now have them?
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@FiatYod said
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I’m not so sure myself"Same
"Though I'm not sure that a violent resistance would be advisable (I guess it would just cause further, worse restriction)."
Excellent point. Whatever “army” would be first to suffer the illness - and possibly repeatedly for all we currently know for certain.
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@FiatYod said
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@danica said
"So, in brief, I see this Covid-19 time as a phase, the brief intro to a larger phase (18 years of Pl in Cap), that provides the opportunity for this mass-scale transition to be incorporated - into the body of mass conscious knowledge, and into the physical and social structures as we now have them (via destroying, changing, morphing, in one way or another transforming the existing - toward the ones that are more harmoniously aligned with the New-Aeon-cognition mode of operating)."
What do you mean by an incorporation of this transition into the physical structures as we now have them?"
Excellent question, thank you.
Root-level of re-building the 'economy': creating sustainable solutions, small-scale and community-scale; changing the modes we 'do business', in our daily habits, by adapting to changed & ongoingly unstable (in comparison to 'before') conditions. -
In more particular terms, I said the following on solunars.com, in context of giving an astro+HRBP p.o.v. advice to small and mid-size business owners:
" think of how you can re-shape it, change it to be more aligned with the Capricorn-Pluto trends, what is it that your particular business can offer in longer term that is aligned to the changed conditions (the viruses will keep coming, in waves - LOL, and the astrologers will keep observing the wonderful patterns, again and again anew in Awe with the magnificent perfection of their working!
); feel-be-think FUTURE in way that creates it and is aware of creating it Right Here & Now. The business you used-to-have is, practically, now, an untapped-yet resource; some need to be fully transformed i.e. destroyed and the energy channeled into something new/different, some need to just adjust a tiny bit, etc - access yours, practically, and from this vista/perspective of being rooted in Now and looking toward Future (instead of being attached to what-was of the Past)."
