College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

@DavidH said

"What is the thelemic and/or kabbalistic view of the "Fall" and did Crowley write specifically about it anywhere? Is the idea not inherent in the Kabbalah?

Does the Kabbalistic view infer some sort of fall from a higher state to our present one? For example, the esoteric Christian view is that Adam was the "God" or undertaker of this universe and when he tried to create on his own without the first cause, he shattered into all the individual souls which became incarnate in matter, thus the Fall. Is there a thelemic or Kabbalistic view of this, or do you stay completely away from any such theories?

LLLL,
David"

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LIBER ALEPH

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LEGENDA DE AMORE.

In the Fable of Adam and Eve is this great Lesson taught by the Masters of the Holy Qabalah. For Love were to them the eternal Eden, save for the Repression signified by the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Thus their Nature of Love was perfect; it was their Fall from that Innocence which drove them from the Garden"

And yet the occultist still writes 'Fable'. But his magickal heir was not deceived by his cipher.

@Nudor said

"This thread has brought to light a recent issue I have been struggling with. Although I know the answer and meaning will be clear for me as I work through the argument, it still seems it would be good to discuss this here.

Abraham was reticent about making clear to Lamech (as book One of the sacred Magic of Abramelin records) that one should not renounce the Religion one is born with. As Mathers stated, many Occultists would have some disagreement with this, and until the meaning is clear to me, it is troublesome.

Can anyone shed a little light on this?"

The Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage is a helpful instruction and pathworking for one who desires his Holy Guardian Angel to be Satan.

And I will say nothing at this time concerning a few other divers and sundry minutia in that book, but I have heard of old that the sages give utterance that Satan has been known to deceive.

@BNNHKDSH said

"From Liber Aleph:
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{Beta }{upsilon }
DE MAGO ARABICO MOHAMMED.

"Yet, because He arose in the Time of the greatest possible Corruption and Darkness, when every Civilization and Every Religion had fallen into Ruin, by the malice of the great Sorcerer of Nazareth."

Who is the Sorcerer of Nazareth? I understand that the most obvious answer is Jesus, but then I would ask if it is true that the O.T.O considers itself in true apostolic succession of the students of Jesus?
I have been studying the Gospels lately, focusing on the violent words of Christ. I am also skeptical of Paul and his "pussy-fication" of Jesus. I turn to Revelation and it portrays an image of a violent warlike Jesus who returns to slay and destroy, to bring justice.

I understand that the historicity of Jesus is questionable; that he may be a conglomerate figure consisting of various myths and actual person's (such as jesus ben panthera). So, in all my meandering, I'm wondering what people think this verse from liber aleph is saying, and what crowley thought concerning Christ."

Crowley does not mean Jesus, but the false consciousness of Jesus that had arisen from the Catholic Church, which MOHAMMED reacted against and Luther attempted to rectify.

@BNNHKDSH said

"Hi.
I have crowleys Liber Magick with Book 4 and ABA. Also, a Thoth deck and the book of Thoth. I have also read a few of regardies books about magick. What I must learn now is a systematic study approach to Qabalah so that I can get it all into my head. What is THE book for this study. I ask because I see many on amazon but I know that there is always one that at least bears the distinct title of being THE place to begin.
Thanks in advance.
ps. I have learned to read and write in greek, and ought to learn hebrew. Is this something covered in most modern qabalah books or should i pursue that in another resource?"

The Holy Bible

@KRVB MMShCh said

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

"The other images group around me to support me: let all be worshipped, for they shall cluster to exalt me. I am the visible object of worship; the others are secret; for the Beast & his Bride are they: and for the winners of the Ordeal x. What is this? Thou shalt know." - AL III:22

Ordeal x is commonly viewed as the Uniting of O & X, the Squaring of the Circle - the Union of the Rose and Cross. This is often seen as a reference to the Experience of the Knowledge & Conversation of one's Holy Guardian Angel.

The K&C of HGA is the pre-requisite for the admittance to the Grade of Adeptus - the Inner College of A.·.A.·.: R.·.C.·.; 'Order of the Rose Cross' - the Second Order or 'Lovers Grade'. This experience is equated with Samhadi & the Union of the self with the other:

"Unity of Subject and Object in Consciousness which is Samadhi, the uniting of the Bride and the Lamb which is Heaven, the uniting of the Magus and the God which is Evocation, the uniting of the Man and his Holy Guardian Angel which is the seal upon the work of the Adeptus Minor, is symbolized by the geometrical unity of the circle and the square, the arithmetical unity of the 5 and the 6, and (for more universality of comprehension) the uniting of the Lingam and Yoni, the Cross and the Rose." - Crowley

Any thoughts?

Love is the law, love under will."

Thou shalt know

@SophiaLux said

"I am becoming really frustrated. Right now my "thelemic Community" consists of me and a couple of buddies who like to study Magick. We can talk theory all night but thats about as far as it gets. I met a person a while back who was getting ready to make a big move out of this defunct town in order to be closer to a real learning community. i have a feeling that if I were really "serious about progressing" I would do the same. My boyf has been wanting to do just that since before we met.

Heres my problem: Before I even knew there was a Book of the Law or a spiritual path that could save my life, I was attending graduate school (a non-terminating masters/phd program). This is the career that I want. i am passionate about my work and think I would be really unhappy trying to pursue something else. And graduate school is not something you can walk away from and ever expect to be invited back. i suppose after I get my Masters I could ask to transfer somewhere, but my field is very specialized and I am currently in the best lab in the country for it.

At the same time I find myself stumbling and lost in all aspects of my life. My work and my Work are shoddy and often nonexistant.

The thing is, while I am a good "self-teacher" to a certain degree, i tend to give up when I hit points of confusion that I can't figure out on my own. If I don't have someone (like a real-live person or two or eight) checking up on me and offering occasional explanations and helpful hints I might as well not even start a project because I won't finish it.

I'm not sure what I'm asking for here. Advice? Analysis? Am I just arguing with myself? Am I making excuses for not being diligent enough on my own? I wish I could ask someone these things irl--someone who knows me and how I work. It seems like its not going to happen (at least for another --wasted?-- six years or so).

Frustrated. Confused.

M"

Fear Not daughter of mankind, for thou hast attained unto the summit of Babalon.

Thou hast thy will.

@hefool07 said

"my experiences: before i climbed the tree of life,snakes would pursue me in my dreams.if there was a project that needed completing,these snakes would block my path in my dreams.and the project would fail in reality.in real life,the snakes were still watching me.some times when i enter a place.my inner voice would tell me someone is watching me and when i turn,it is a snake.these events troubled me for a longtime before i got introduced to the Rosicrucian Order.it all stopped. one day i climbed the tree of life. and i saw things in my sleep.i could see through walls.i saw a pit of fire in the corner of my room.i had a foreknowledge of things to come.especially if i slept in the afternoons.i felt burnt sensation in my head when i climb the tree.so i stopped for a longtime.
recently i started to climb the tree on the 20th of march as instructed.the snakes have come back.after performing the ritual of resh according to my understanding.a snake blocked my path.it refused to allow my brother and i descend the stairways in my dreams..please i need urgent advice"

You should stay off the path of the snake if you want to climb the ETZ CHAIM without hinderance.

@Her said

"I recently started to re-read Liber Aleph, and as usually happens, the bits I brushed over the first time bite me in the {@$$} the second time around.

From the first chapter of Liber Aleph:

"Firstly, then, I would have thee to know that Spiritual Experience and Perfection have no necessary connection with Advancement in our Holy Order. But for each Man is a Path: there is a Constant, and there is a Variable. Seek ever therefore in thy Work of the Promulgation of the Law to discover in each Man his own true Nature.

For in each Man his Inmost Light is the Core of his Star. That is, Hadit; and his Work is the Identification of himself with that Light.
It is not every Man who is called to the sublime Task of the A.'.A.'., wherein he must master thoroughly every Detail of the Great Work, so that he may in due Season accomplish it not only for himself, but for all who are bound unto him."

First off, which "Holy Order" is Crowley refering to here? I'm assuming it's not the A.'.A.'. because he mentions that particular order later on in a way that rules it out. Is he refering to Thelema in general or maybe the OTO?

There's a section in the above quote that puzzles me. "Spiritual Experience and Perfection have no necessary connection with Advancement in our Holy Order". I'm assuming that what Crowley is talking about here is the discovery of the True Will. But doesn't the discovery of the True Will through the methods laid down by Crowley entail some measure of "perfecting" and spiritual experience? "

It is neither A.'.A.'. nor O.T.O., nor any other physical manifestation of that Aethyric Order of which Crowley speaks, nor is it even that Aethyric Order of which he speaks.

@craigp said

"can anyone give me any input into this verse or point to any references? i've been racking my brain trying to understand this.
i figure it must have something to do with "all is ever as it was" but can't put my fingeer on what is trying to be said here."

The Angel is making an ideological correction to his preceeding statements.

The Biblical concept of 'Faith', or 'the Faith' (pistis) corresponds to the modernistic sociological term 'Worldview'. It simply implies one's perceptions, beliefs, and views concerning the nature himself and the world around him.

Every human being has a 'faith'. The meaning is that simple and that profound.

@gerry456 said

"should a person who doesn't fit in socially get that aspect of himself sorted out before he embarks upon a magical path or will the former issue be solved naturally as a bi product of magical success/effort particularly on the Thelemic path?"

What if the person who doesn't fit in socially has himself sorted out?

I am Fra N.

I am here now.

I am here to discuss things.

I am here to visit.

I have come.

It is a fool's errand to contemplate, but what say you concerning this gematria concerning the April Fool?

{Zeta }{omega }
DE SAPIENTIA ET STULTITIA.
O my Son, in this the Colophon of my Epistle will I recall he Title and Superscription thereof; that is, "The Book of Wisdom or Folly". I proclaim Blessing and Worship to Nuith Our Lady and Her Lord Hadith, for the Miracle of the Anatomy of he Child Ra-Hoor-Khuit, as it is shewn in the Design Minutum Mundum, the Tree of Life. For though Wisdom be the Second Emanation of his Essence, there is a Path to separate and to join them, the Reference thereof being Aleph, that is One indeed, but also an Hundred and Eleven in his full Orthography; to signify the Most Holy Trinity, and by Metathesis it is Thick Darkness, and Sudden Death. This is also the Number of AUM, which is AMOUN, and the Root-Sound of OMNE, or, in Greek, PAN, and it is a Number of the Sun. Yet is the Atu of Thoth that correspondeth thereunto marked with ZERO, and its Name is MAT, whereof I have spoken formerly, and its Image is the Fool. O my Son, gather thou all these Limbs ogether in One Body, and breathe upon it with thy Spirit, hat it may live; then do thou embrace it with Lust of they Manhood, and go in unto it, and know it; so shall ye be One Flesh. Now at last in the Reinforcement and Ecstasy of this Consummation thou shalt with by what Inspiration thou didst choose thy Name in the Gnosis, I mean PARZIVAL, "der reine Thor", the True Knight that won Kingship in Monsalvat, and made whole the Wound of Amfortas, and ordered Kundry to right Service, and regained the Lance, and revived the Miracle of he Sangral; yea also upon himself did he accomplish his Work in the End: "Hochsten Heiles Wunder! Erlosung dem Erloser !" This is the last Word of the Song that thine Uncle Richard Wagner made for Worship of this Mystery. Understand thou this, o my son, as I ake leave of thee in this Epistle, that the Summit of Wisdom is the opening of the Way that leadeth unto theCrown and Essence of all, to the Soul of the Child Horus, the Lord of he Aeon. This Way is the Path of the Pure Fool. Amoun.

And who is this Pure Fool? Lo, in the Sagas of Old Time, Legend of Scald, of Brad, of Druid, cometh He not in Green Like Spring? O thou Great Fool, thou Water that art Air, in whom all Complex is resolved! Yes, thou in ragged Raiment, with the Staff of Priapus and the Wineskin! thou standest up on the Crocodile, like Hoor-pa-Kraat; and the Great Cat leapeth upon thee! Yea, and more also I have known Thee who Thou art, Bacchus Diphues, none and two, in thy Name IAO ! Now at the End of all do I come to the Being of Thee, beyond By-coming, and I cry aloud my Word, as it was given unto Man by thine Uncle Alcofribas Masior, the Oracle of the Bottle of BACBUC, and this Word is TRINC.

Love is the law, love under will.

A few notes on the gematria of 393. Let us see what my member number portends.

393 > 15 > 6 - 393 - 393 = 3x131
ChPhShA--- freedom.
ChTsTsRA--- trumpet.
YAHUSHBA-- pr.n. "Yah is the Oath".